Fyi, I don't see this as a debate with a winner or loser in the end.
Maybe you are a super genius with audio or something, but I don’t see how putting some stuff together and getting lucky can compare with millions of dollars in researching and engineering.
Audio is simple if you know what you want and know the simple steps
to find it. It has nothing to do with the R&D budget of manufacturers.
The trick is simple, you go and audition product and pick what you like, ie I need
a car so I auditioned many and chose one. Why didn't I DIY a car? Because I
found something I like and DIY would have taken a long time for me because I'm
not interested in DIY cars. I bought a used one to save money, I don't need brand new 'bling bling'.
For Christ sake they custom build their drivers and cabinets to work together.
They probably custom build the drivers to lower their costs so they can
profit more. Think about it. You can design a driver and pay profits to the build
house or you can build them yourself paying noone. Cabinet influences on
sound are things we already know about.
I agree with the fact that they don’t get that loud, but Jesus that diamond tweeter sounds like heaven. Even their alloy tweeters sound awesome, actually I’m going to go pick up my new 703’s next week.
Loud is my criteria so anything not loud would be boring for me, but it doesn't
mean it's a bad design. Also, for every person who likes diamond tweeters
{or whatever technology}, you can also find someone who hates it.
This is just turning into a Ford, Dodge, Chevy battle where everyone likes their own thing and won’t admit something else is better.
Audio is subjective. If I found something better in the store, wouldn't it be
easier for me just to sink $50k on a pair of speakers and be done, have mental
peace or maybe I can't find the magic I want so I will take that $50k and build
my own. For me, my lastest project has been a 5+ year quest. I think Frodo
taking the ring to the lava would have been an easier quest //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif .. but the reward will
be 100x better because it's custom made for me only.
All loudspeakers have limitations; the whole idea is building a system for what you want. But, if you go too much in on one area the system will lack in another.
DIY speakers is all about building custom sound for you, if you meet your
goals imagine the satisfaction you get and nothing lacks. Are you building
the system to enjoy it or to prove someting on the engineering level? Some people build for 'proof of engineering', to lure customers... Some people build
based on audience approval. I build for me only. I could care less what others think. I want to kick back and enjoy my tunes, everyone else be-gone when
I'm in my zone. // rofl //
Line arrays are good for volume and covering a large area well because of the coupling, but they lack in character, depth, imaging etc because of that same coupling.
Line arrays have more character to me, good imagining and depth if you do it well, and there is a big sound stage if you design it as such. Some people hate
the big stage, I love it. Some people do power tapering to reduce the stage
height, but not me.
There are some high end line arrays that have compromised designs
in spite of their very high costs. I've seen better DIY efforts in the past 3 years.
Granted, the DIY home line array movement has accellerated very fast thanks
to a few cyberspace individuals so the DIY crowd is really making big progess.
Notice how Dynaudio, Focal and now Audax left the DIY driver market. Wonder
why? Because DIY'ers are building world class systems and it's pissing off
the manufacturers as their products don't look that special anymore especially
when a DIY'er can do it for a fraction of the cost.
Maybe you are a super genius with audio or something, but I don’t see how putting some stuff together and getting lucky can compare with millions of dollars in researching and engineering.
Audio is simple if you know what you want and know the simple steps
to find it. It has nothing to do with the R&D budget of manufacturers.
The trick is simple, you go and audition product and pick what you like, ie I need
a car so I auditioned many and chose one. Why didn't I DIY a car? Because I
found something I like and DIY would have taken a long time for me because I'm
not interested in DIY cars. I bought a used one to save money, I don't need brand new 'bling bling'.
For Christ sake they custom build their drivers and cabinets to work together.
They probably custom build the drivers to lower their costs so they can
profit more. Think about it. You can design a driver and pay profits to the build
house or you can build them yourself paying noone. Cabinet influences on
sound are things we already know about.
I agree with the fact that they don’t get that loud, but Jesus that diamond tweeter sounds like heaven. Even their alloy tweeters sound awesome, actually I’m going to go pick up my new 703’s next week.
Loud is my criteria so anything not loud would be boring for me, but it doesn't
mean it's a bad design. Also, for every person who likes diamond tweeters
{or whatever technology}, you can also find someone who hates it.
This is just turning into a Ford, Dodge, Chevy battle where everyone likes their own thing and won’t admit something else is better.
Audio is subjective. If I found something better in the store, wouldn't it be
easier for me just to sink $50k on a pair of speakers and be done, have mental
peace or maybe I can't find the magic I want so I will take that $50k and build
my own. For me, my lastest project has been a 5+ year quest. I think Frodo
taking the ring to the lava would have been an easier quest //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif .. but the reward will
be 100x better because it's custom made for me only.
All loudspeakers have limitations; the whole idea is building a system for what you want. But, if you go too much in on one area the system will lack in another.
DIY speakers is all about building custom sound for you, if you meet your
goals imagine the satisfaction you get and nothing lacks. Are you building
the system to enjoy it or to prove someting on the engineering level? Some people build for 'proof of engineering', to lure customers... Some people build
based on audience approval. I build for me only. I could care less what others think. I want to kick back and enjoy my tunes, everyone else be-gone when
I'm in my zone. // rofl //
Line arrays are good for volume and covering a large area well because of the coupling, but they lack in character, depth, imaging etc because of that same coupling.
Line arrays have more character to me, good imagining and depth if you do it well, and there is a big sound stage if you design it as such. Some people hate
the big stage, I love it. Some people do power tapering to reduce the stage
height, but not me.
There are some high end line arrays that have compromised designs
in spite of their very high costs. I've seen better DIY efforts in the past 3 years.
Granted, the DIY home line array movement has accellerated very fast thanks
to a few cyberspace individuals so the DIY crowd is really making big progess.
Notice how Dynaudio, Focal and now Audax left the DIY driver market. Wonder
why? Because DIY'ers are building world class systems and it's pissing off
the manufacturers as their products don't look that special anymore especially
when a DIY'er can do it for a fraction of the cost.
