Lcd vs plasma.. What one to buy and why??

[cotjones 10+ year member]

As for this silly assertion of 240Hz being superior... why is it that the human eye can STILL see blur on a 240Hz set??? I know I could! I saw it in the store, in a dimly-lit viewing room, not on some bright-*** glaring sales floor. Taking a 60Hz source and "interpolating" additional frames (aka making up shit that isn't in the source) to try to mimic the faster response of plasma doesn't help... repeating additional frames or making up frames to fill in the gap isn't helping, folks.... the blur is still there.

Again your idiot is showing. The purpose of interpolating frames is simple and not to match the speed of the plasma. MOTION BLUR HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH REFRESH RATE!

Plasma does not give motion blur because its pixel fire in a different method than the LCD. LCD pixels must individually turn off and on, and the longer they take to do this, the greater the motion blur. LCD's today down to a 2ms response time have NO more motion blur than any given plasma, if you say you can recognize it you are a Dayum liar.

The purpose of the 240hz and interpolating frames is to eliminate "JUDDER" which it does fantastically, You obviously might not want this so much in movies, and thats why you can turn it off. but for other sources such as 3D content and Video games, it's invaluable.

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

As for the power complaints.... Again.... this is using max vs. RMS power. The power ratings on TVs are for their maximum current draw... so, think again of displaying a full-white color screen at maximum brightness. Yes, in an instance like this, plasma draws a lot of power! However.... plasma TVs scale power draw to the level of brightness being displayed at the time. So... if you watch a movie or TV show that is a full-white screen 100% of the time, then sure, you're going to draw maximum power all the time! However, if you're smart, and turn your plasma down to normal levels of brightness and contrast (as I do in a normal viewing environment, not in the factory-set "torch mode" you see on showroom floors) and then watch normal movies and TV shows, the average power-draw of the plasma is MUCH MUCH lower than the maximum ratings. However, you might not know that LCD's/LEDs draw the same power all the time... so you can know what an LCD will draw all the time it's on. Plasma power draw varies based on picture output. While plasmas are somewhat higher in average power draw than LCDs, the difference is practically negligible in real-world terms. Yet another case of specifications telling less than the whole story.
Apples-to-apples - calibrated sets, 5.2 hours per day of usage, 365 days per year, 11.35 cents per killowatt-hour.

My TV costs $69.90 per YEAR to operate

Comparable (slightly smaller) Samsung LCD costs $31.27 per YEAR.

Difference - $3.21 per month...

Maybe you care about $3/month... but I don't. Personally, I feel my TV is much more suited to my usage habits, has a better PQ (as compared side-by-side in an actual normalized viewing environment), and is overall a superior technology, with some rather small concessions. I have about 25% greater weight per size, and pay about $3 per month more for mine. The weight is negligible and has no meaning once my set is wall-mounted properly, as any other set would be.

Fair trade, if you ask me.

And wrong again. THE "AVERAGE" PLASMA uses 2-3x the power of the "AVERAGE" LCD at ANY GIVEN BRIGHTNESS.

That doesn't even need explanation, it couldn't be clearer, I've already explained how you can easily trip a breaker in the average up to code house using a plasma. And there is a reason why many models are soon to be outlawed, while there are no restrictions on LCD's and why would you need them on LED-LCD's lol //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

LMFAO. You mad trippin bro. I would have tripped mine by now if that was the case.

there is some fantastic logic. There are millions of plasma users out there. You = plasma user. So every plasma user = you?

Haha my dad tried running an xbox on a 55" plasma in the living room and a PS3 on a 46" in his bedroom at the same time which was on the same circuit.

I wonder what happened? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

 

[hzsogood 5,000+ posts]

there is some fantastic logic. There are millions of plasma users out there. You = plasma user. So every plasma user = you?
Haha my dad tried running an xbox on a 55" plasma in the living room and a PS3 on a 46" in his bedroom at the same time which was on the same circuit.

I wonder what happened? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

If ppl were smart they would run 12/2 in there house, or at LEAST in an area where heavy draw is. I just got done building my garage and the $$ dif isnt that much different .. Re wiring sucks, but heres a quick fix.. Put in a 20 amp breaker.. Just make sure your house is insured

 

[tRidiot 10+ year member]

And wrong again. THE "AVERAGE" PLASMA uses 2-3x the power of the "AVERAGE" LCD at ANY GIVEN BRIGHTNESS.
That doesn't even need explanation, it couldn't be clearer, I've already explained how you can easily trip a breaker in the average up to code house using a plasma. And there is a reason why many models are soon to be outlawed, while there are no restrictions on LCD's and why would you need them on LED-LCD's lol //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

I pulled actual numbers, actual cost, posted actual specs. Got any sources or data to back up your assertions in everyday usage, or you just gonna keep yelling "nuh-uh, nu-uh!" like a 2-year-old? As for outlawing, well, if you're talking about Kommiefornia, I'd seriously rethink using their legislative process as an example of logical and accurate thought processes. lol Their position is more about hype than information.... kinda like yours! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

Again your idiot is showing. The purpose of interpolating frames is simple and not to match the speed of the plasma. MOTION BLUR HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH REFRESH RATE!Plasma does not give motion blur because its pixel fire in a different method than the LCD. LCD pixels must individually turn off and on, and the longer they take to do this, the greater the motion blur. LCD's today down to a 2ms response time have NO more motion blur than any given plasma, if you say you can recognize it you are a Dayum liar.

The purpose of the 240hz and interpolating frames is to eliminate "JUDDER" which it does fantastically, You obviously might not want this so much in movies, and thats why you can turn it off. but for other sources such as 3D content and Video games, it's invaluable.

Motion blur IS STILL a problem with LCD... you can try to argue what ever you want, try to call names and distract all you want, the bottom line is that LCD (and the LED-backlit LCDs) ARE STILL BLURRY. There is NO argument about it! If you can't see it, then good for you... but for tons upon tons of people, the motion blur associated with LCD is unmistakable and inescapable. Sorry, man... you're just making yourself look silly by claiming it doesn't exist.

there is some fantastic logic. There are millions of plasma users out there. You = plasma user. So every plasma user = you?
Haha my dad tried running an xbox on a 55" plasma in the living room and a PS3 on a 46" in his bedroom at the same time which was on the same circuit.

I wonder what happened? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

Wow... I run a big-*** quad-core computer system with a high-end video card off a top-notch 550W power supply, a home theater system, ceiling fan with 4 bulbs (fluorescents, but was incandescent up till a few weeks ago), plus my wife irons in here in the living room, Xbox360, cable box and assorted smaller electric devices all off 1 circuit... along with my 54" plasma. On 30-year-old wiring. Guess I'm really just inches from burning down every day, huh? lol. Never tripped a breaker, though.... maybe all those devices aren't pulling max current draw all the time... seems logical, but then, to you, logic isn't a factor, is it?

I will give you the fact that I misspoke about the Dynamic and Static contrast ratios.Dynamic refers to the dimming of the backlight to try to achieve deeper blacks, so whites lose some of their brightness at that time and dark detail can suffer. Dynamic is inflated, NATIVE is the one that matters more, but honestly contrast ratio is more of a spec to impress the uneducated than anything else. See, I can admit when I misspeak, unlike some people. The logic of the argument is the same, I just reversed the terms.

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

If ppl were smart they would run 12/2 in there house, or at LEAST in an area where heavy draw is. I just got done building my garage and the $$ dif isnt that much different .. Re wiring sucks, but heres a quick fix.. Put in a 20 amp breaker.. Just make sure your house is insured

Won't matter once they find out you replaced your 15 amp fuses with 20's. You are fvcked. If the 15 amp code circuit is tripping. that means there is too much draw. You are asking for a fire to put in a 20 amp which will alow you to over draw an additional 33% on an already over-drawn circuit.

 

[Silentbass 10+ year member]

Umm...got off topic???

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

I pulled actual numbers, actual cost, posted actual specs. Got any sources or data to back up your assertions in everyday usage, or you just gonna keep yelling "nuh-uh, nu-uh!" like a 2-year-old? As for outlawing, well, if you're talking about Kommiefornia, I'd seriously rethink using their legislative process as an example of logical and accurate thought processes. lol Their position is more about hype than information.... kinda like yours! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

On the contrary, Your thought process is that your uninformed opinion of a television technology is superior to studies and stance of the principalities that govern the entire state of California which account for over 36,000,000 people. Go anywhere, look at any numbers. The facts are that plasmas on average use 2-3x the power of an LCD monitor.

Motion blur IS STILL a problem with LCD... you can try to argue what ever you want, try to call names and distract all you want, the bottom line is that LCD (and the LED-backlit LCDs) ARE STILL BLURRY. There is NO argument about it! If you can't see it, then good for you... but for tons upon tons of people, the motion blur associated with LCD is unmistakable and inescapable. Sorry, man... you're just making yourself look silly by claiming it doesn't exist.

The only thing you are effectively arguing is that YOU can still see it, so it must exist. Well guess what? it doesn't. I suspect this strong stance among plasma hyping people is because of the additional price of the LCD's you just don't wanna spend the extra money so you make up artifacts on the screen to justify the fact that you've bought or argued on the side of an inferior product.

However ever since LCD's reached around the 5ms response time, motion blur is no longer an issue.

Wow... I run a big-*** quad-core computer system with a high-end video card off a top-notch 550W power supply, a home theater system, ceiling fan with 4 bulbs (fluorescents, but was incandescent up till a few weeks ago), plus my wife irons in here in the living room, Xbox360, cable box and assorted smaller electric devices all off 1 circuit... along with my 54" plasma. On 30-year-old wiring. Guess I'm really just inches from burning down every day, huh? lol. Never tripped a breaker, though.... maybe all those devices aren't pulling max current draw all the time... seems logical, but then, to you, logic isn't a factor, is it?

Good for you, let all those items hit a higher current draw and guess what you will get. Fight the inevitable all you want. Not to mention who knows if your particular plasma is as much of a current hog as the average one. It's neither here or there. The numbers are everywhere all you have to do open your fvcking eyes. an AVERAGE current draw of 3-4 amps is simply huge.

I will give you the fact that I misspoke about the Dynamic and Static contrast ratios.Dynamic refers to the dimming of the backlight to try to achieve deeper blacks, so whites lose some of their brightness at that time and dark detail can suffer. Dynamic is inflated, NATIVE is the one that matters more, but honestly contrast ratio is more of a spec to impress the uneducated than anything else. See, I can admit when I misspeak, unlike some people. The logic of the argument is the same, I just reversed the terms.

Oh funny, yet you argued so avidly about the dynamic contrast ratio. Funny also that this is simply a ploy by the LCD manufactures to make their TV's look better when most of the most popular Plasma makers also quote dynamic contrasts and leave static out of it. Know why? I wonder, lets think for a minute...

Well being able to produce an inflated number over the competition being the goal. The opportunity arises for plasma manufacturers to inflate a number of their own. (Pixel response time.) I'm sure you've seen the quotes pixel response times on plasmas being .001ms. Well what you don't see is that the only thing that allows for this extreme speed is the pre-charging of the phosphor cells leading to a glow similar to the back light glow on an LCD. Of course at a time when LCDs are around 5 and 6ms PRT and have horrible motion blur problems, it is an obvious market advantage to hide static ratios behind the same dynamic ratio curtain LCD's use with the intention of over-inflating the PRT numbers which LCD's had an obvious problem in.

Think of it for a minute. 600hz sub field drive is basically just 60 hz refired and charged 10 times across the phosphors. If the plasmas pixel response was truly that fast, it would be NO problem to increase refresh rates to accommodate higher frame rate sources such as video games and 3D-content. Yet NO common model has the ability. The problem is that when you add in a higher refresh rates the phosphors can't be pre-charged, then the PRT goes way down as it's already been cut in half leading to flicker and headaches worse then you've ever seen and the contrast ratio takes a huge hit too. Then to add to the list of problem processors can't handle it, and the power consumption triples.

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

I want an IMAX tv //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif lulz

 

[wone 10+ year member]

lol^^^

 

[Louisiana_CRX 5,000+ posts]

I have a 47" LED TV in my home theater room and like the pic quality much better than the 42" LCD in the Living Room.....

 

[peterweiner]

I have a 47" LED TV in my home theater room and like the pic quality much better than the 42" LCD in the Living Room.....

pics?

 

[Silentbass 10+ year member]

wat brand led??? leds look good...i think led tvs actually look better than several lcds i have seen

 

[Louisiana_CRX 5,000+ posts]

pics?

I have everything apart and in storage for about a week while my new Oak floors are being laid.....I hope by around the first of next week I'll be able to put everything back together....3 rooms downstairs are tore apart for the remodel job right now //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crap.gif.7f4dd41e3e9b23fbd170a1ee6f65cecc.gif