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[SamIam71]

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Look at these sites to see how full of $h1t the idea of making that sort of money is. Also, tricare insurance is something you will pay for with a family, and dental is extra. Not to mention, tricare required a waiver to meet minimum requirements of the Affordable Healthcare Act. If you want to go in and get you some college money, then do it. Don't be a POS though, do your time, remember you will be in service of the American people, and then move on. Military is by and large a way for people to get welfare in uniforms. Anyone thinking it is great pay, obviously isn't worth their pay. It doesn't compare to the private sector in any way. Any information about military pay is public information. look it up, do the math, then decide if trading any opportunity for a real life is worth it.

 

[tat2bass 10+ year member]

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Look at these sites to see how full of $h1t the idea of making that sort of money is. Also, tricare insurance is something you will pay for with a family, and dental is extra. Not to mention, tricare required a waiver to meet minimum requirements of the Affordable Healthcare Act. If you want to go in and get you some college money, then do it. Don't be a POS though, do your time, remember you will be in service of the American people, and then move on. Military is by and large a way for people to get welfare in uniforms. Anyone thinking it is great pay, obviously isn't worth their pay. It doesn't compare to the private sector in any way. Any information about military pay is public information. look it up, do the math, then decide if trading any opportunity for a real life is worth it.

I don't pay anything for insurance for my family. And to say that private sector is way better is ******* stupid. I work as a satellite controller and make the same as the civilians that work for us. They used to make a lot more when everything was contracted out. Now the hire them on as DA civilians and they don't make nearly the same. Also think of job security. I don't have to worry about showing up to work and being told that I am no longer needed. Not sure if you have any military experience or not, but you can shut the **** up about the "not worth their pay" crap. Starting out it isn't the best, not at all. But you get out of the military what you put into it and can move up very quickly. It is definitely not welfare in uniform either.

 

[SamIam71]

I don't pay anything for insurance for my family. And to say that private sector is way better is ******* stupid. I work as a satellite controller and make the same as the civilians that work for us. They used to make a lot more when everything was contracted out. Now the hire them on as DA civilians and they don't make nearly the same. Also think of job security. I don't have to worry about showing up to work and being told that I am no longer needed. Not sure if you have any military experience or not, but you can shut the **** up about the "not worth their pay" crap. Starting out it isn't the best, not at all. But you get out of the military what you put into it and can move up very quickly. It is definitely not welfare in uniform either.

I spent more time in boots than you. Job security, but you say you are on the short list for being released? Civilian equivalents are paid far better than military, and they actually know their jobs, not just their part. Tricare insurance is part of the compensation for service members, but not for their families. The vast majority of SM are just there as warm bodies, and they would serve their country best by not re enlisting. I met very few people in the service that could survive in the real world and make the money they made.

 

[tat2bass 10+ year member]

I spent more time in boots than you. Job security, but you say you are on the short list for being released? Civilian equivalents are paid far better than military, and they actually know their jobs, not just their part. Tricare insurance is part of the compensation for service members, but not for their families. The vast majority of SM are just there as warm bodies, and they would serve their country best by not re enlisting. I met very few people in the service that could survive in the real world and make the money they made.

I am not on the short list. Someone else said that. And most of the cuts they are making now will start with people who have had some type of negative record. How long were you in? And when? I don't know how else to tell you that I have two kids and have never paid for anything medical for them. You don't know what the **** you are talking about. My neighbor is a civilian that worked as an engineer for the new advanced ehf satellites and I get paid more than he does. Not all of these jobs pay more on the outside. The job market has dramatically changed in the past couple years. What do you do that you can so easily put down most service members. Because you're pissing me off. I'm guessing you just couldn't hack it so now you talk ****

 

[SamIam71]

I am not on the short list. Someone else said that. And most of the cuts they are making now will start with people who have had some type of negative record. How long were you in? And when? I don't know how else to tell you that I have two kids and have never paid for anything medical for them. You don't know what the **** you are talking about. My neighbor is a civilian that worked as an engineer for the new advanced ehf satellites and I get paid more than he does. Not all of these jobs pay more on the outside. The job market has dramatically changed in the past couple years. What do you do that you can so easily put down most service members. Because you're pissing me off. I'm guessing you just couldn't hack it so now you talk ****

Don't blame me for your inability to retain civility. I have not said anything to be offensive to any service member that is worth their salt, if you are applying any negative connotations to yourself, then you are the one saying the boot fits. There is no way you can say every service member is doing their job. I have "hacked" plenty, and in jobs no chairforce personnel would ever be allowed. There is no reason for you to make this personal, try to remain objective, this thread is about a guy looking for work, nothing more. As far as employers go, the military is far from the best. Membership has its privileges, but all jingoism aside, it is not a place for the best and brightest and other things that sell bumper stickers and coffee cups.

 

[Milk Mayne 10+ year member]

Starting out it isn't the best, not at all. But you get out of the military what you put into it and can move up very quickly. It is definitely not welfare in uniform either.

That really depends. My MOS stayed MAXXED out at 798 points the entire three and a half years I was in.

As far as the what the other guy's saying, sure there's plenty of dirtbags in the military that do nothing but **** up taxpayer money and leech the system. Anyone that's ever been in knows this. When talking about the financial aspect of it, you need to consider where exactly you're coming from (married with dependents), whereas those without a wife or kids, make absolute squat compared to a civilian counterpart.

Then you have the officers. I know it's different for the Air Force, but it seemed like at least half of the officers I knew in the Army had completely worthless degrees, History most of the time. A lot of those people don't even deserve a job, much less one that's paying a STARTING salary around $50K, and up to $70K AUTOMATICALLY within 3 years.

 

[tat2bass 10+ year member]

Don't blame me for your inability to retain civility. I have not said anything to be offensive to any service member that is worth their salt, if you are applying any negative connotations to yourself, then you are the one saying the boot fits. There is no way you can say every service member is doing their job. I have "hacked" plenty, and in jobs no chairforce personnel would ever be allowed. There is no reason for you to make this personal, try to remain objective, this thread is about a guy looking for work, nothing more. As far as employers go, the military is far from the best. Membership has its privileges, but all jingoism aside, it is not a place for the best and brightest and other things that sell bumper stickers and coffee cups.

Of course there are some shitbags. But what are all these jobs that pay so much better in the civilian world? I'm telling you that I am in army and make the same as a guy with an engineering degree working for companies like Lockheed Martin and Boeing.

 

[tat2bass 10+ year member]

That really depends. My MOS stayed MAXXED out at 798 points the entire three and a half years I was in.
As far as the what the other guy's saying, sure there's plenty of dirtbags in the military that do nothing but **** up taxpayer money and leech the system. Anyone that's ever been in knows this. When talking about the financial aspect of it, you need to consider where exactly you're coming from (married with dependents), whereas those without a wife or kids, make absolute squat compared to a civilian counterpart.

Then you have the officers. I know it's different for the Air Force, but it seemed like at least half of the officers I knew in the Army had completely worthless degrees, History most of the time. A lot of those people don't even deserve a job, much less one that's paying a STARTING salary around $50K, and up to $70K AUTOMATICALLY within 3 years.

Ok. So if points stayed at 798 the whole time you were in, that means you were in an overstrength MOS which means you probably didn't have to have very high scores to get into it. You could have either taken gt improvement classes or if your scores were high enough to begin with, reclass to an under strength MOS with lower points. The ability to move up in rank is there if you want it bad enough and are willing to put in the work.

 

[Milk Mayne 10+ year member]

Umm, I have a 134 GT, and the MOS REQUIRED a 110, I don't know of any that require any higher. That's beside the point, I'm just saying its not as easy as you make it seem all the time. Even when you're mentioning a reclass, that's still a FOUR YEAR WAIT to even have an opportunity to advance. Which didnt matter anyway as I got hit with a round downrange that ended my military career.

I've seen the pay charts for Lockheed, that was a company I was considering moving for a position with, until deciding it was a poor career choice. Maybe so for a fresh out of school engineer, but any engineer with A DECADE of professional experience, unless they're just not worth sh*t, is pulling in well past 60K. Regardless, you're just citing one example. The majority of people in the military are making about a whopping $25-30K/year or less. You forget there's THOUSANDS of barracks across the globe full of E1-5's that are bringing in their base, minus their food, which doesn't amount to much. Oh but they get benefits, that's worth a whole lot to young people who don't generally get sick (I'd bet most sick calls are work related injuries), that either aren't married, don't have kids, or don't have primary custody of their children. How much do you really think the average 18-30 year old spends on healthcare in a given year?

 

[SamIam71]

Of course there are some shitbags. But what are all these jobs that pay so much better in the civilian world? I'm telling you that I am in army and make the same as a guy with an engineering degree working for companies like Lockheed Martin and Boeing.

No, you don't. No job in the military comes close to the expertise of any engineering profession, nor does their pay.

Lockheed Martin Salary | Indeed.com

Lockheed Martin Salaries | Glassdoor

Boeing Salaries and Benefits | Glassdoor

 

[Slo_Ride 5,000+ posts]

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work.

 

[Milk Mayne 10+ year member]

No, you don't. No job in the military comes close to the expertise of any engineering profession, nor does their pay. Lockheed Martin Salary | Indeed.com

Lockheed Martin Salaries | Glassdoor

Boeing Salaries and Benefits | Glassdoor

Thank you, I didn't feel like digging those up. BTW, I always loved hearing those combat engineers tell people how they were real engineers and could go to work in the civilian sector as such. You know because that 12 week AIT course sure is equivalent to a four year bachelor's with enough Calculus to make their head explode.

 

[SamIam71]

Thank you, I didn't feel like digging those up. BTW, I always loved hearing those combat engineers tell people how they were real engineers and could go to work in the civilian sector as such. You know because that 12 week AIT course sure is equivalent to a four year bachelor's with enough Calculus to make their head explode.

LOL, I know man. You have to drink a lot of their Kool-Aide to buy into that $hit. Don't get me wrong, for those doing the job and doing it right, I will forever respect them and appreciate their service. But, for all the geardos, fobbits, Kool-Aid drinkers and all around $hit bags, they can go to hell. I love playing army, and that is how I see it, as it is a little bubble of a world that less that 1% of our population choose as an occupation. I am weeks away from retiring, and it has been fun, but it is time for it to end. Communications, quartermaster, SF, and infantry. So, hooah, airborne, de oppresso liber, or wtfe you want to say after saying much of nothing, go say it.

I think we would do better by using the draft in peacetime, and volunteers during war. I also think we should scale the military back to about 20% of what it is, and let the states keep more money to fund their militias. A federally instigated military is a luxury and an option, not a requirement. The whole thing has gotten way out of hand.

Anyway, the man that ask for help with finding work has found work (no thanks to us lol), so I think this thread is a done deal.

 

[Freeman]

work.

selling drugs aint work

 

[Slo_Ride 5,000+ posts]

selling drugs aint work

thats bullshit. but thats not what i do. i'm a general contractor. i build things.