L7 or 13w3v3

[GAM3OVR 5,000+ posts]

this is actually a good response, well better than most, I'm sick of people just telling people they are wrong because others do, its just a bandwagon... only disagreement i have is the power handling of the 13w3... i had one sitting comfortably between 800-900 in a little under 3 cubes.
the thermal power rating of the 13w3 is 600rms, over that and the woofer isn't covered by warranty, however if your system has little enough distortion and you can achieve the power mechanically (depending on install) they can achieve much more power than rated. (just like alot of high-end subs)

iam not too big a jl fan at regular prices, but if i can get them cheap than i guess i am.you can to to jl's site, look under multi media/magazine adds and you will find all their records there.

everything is older but they have quite a few. they pulled off a 171.7db with 5 15w3 and 5 amps for a 2nd place finish to someone with 8 subs and 16 amps.

it seems back in the day they had a few world records for spl and sq that seem to set the stage for everything there is today.

now a friend of mine has a 12"l7(older) in a ported box and its loud for what it is and sounds ok but i have a 10w7 ported on a fusion nv-am25001 and that is quite louder and better sounding than the l7.

i dont have any expierence with the 13w3v3 but i would have to say that the l7 would be the winner there, now a 13w6v2 mabie not

just my .02

-vic

13w6v2 is a SQ Driver.

IMO the w6v2 & tw5 & W6 are the 3 best drivers released by JL.

If you are willing to compare W6v2 to L7. I make frowny face at you.

 

[thevic24 5,000+ posts]

13w6v2 is a SQ Driver.
IMO the w6v2 & tw5 & W6 are the 3 best drivers released by JL.

If you are willing to compare W6v2 to L7. I make frowny face at you.

most all jl's sube are geared toward sq, but the 13w6v2 would be abetter choice than the w3v3 to compair to the l7.

when the w6v2 first came out, i had a 12" in a ported box in an extended cab s-10 running of an mtx 8100d and i tell ya what, that thing was quite impressive for an sq driver. now the 12 dd that replaced it was hands down much, much louder, sq wise mabie not but thoes setups were for me to be heard a block or two away

-vic

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

13w6v2 is a SQ Driver.
IMO the w6v2 & tw5 & W6 are the 3 best drivers released by JL.

If you are willing to compare W6v2 to L7. I make frowny face at you.

I would definitely agree if you said that the w6v2 was ment to be more of a step up in SQ than SPL... but i would actually probably go with the w3's over the w6's trying to achieve pure SPL... the W6v2 doesn't operate well at all near its mechanical limits. the surrounds are flimsy and tear easily in my experience with W6's i have found almost all of them will tear the surrounds before they burn the motor... and don't let just anyone design the enclosure for the w6v2.

Alot of high spl has to do with pushing the subs a bit farther than they were ment to go, this is not good at all for the w6v2's....

The new w3 though are actually like the w6v1's on steriods. and no more sh!tty surrounds

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

And just think about it for a sec...

http://mobile.jlaudio.com/pdfs/MagAdsPDFs/Braaaap_FPO.pdf

5 w3v1's that are rated at 400 watts a piece threw out 171.7!?!

the new W3v3's are rated for 600!

but i guess you are right... W3's couldn't keep up with L7's

Here ya go bonesninja... that same award the solo-x got that you mentioned...

http://mobile.jlaudio.com/pdfs/MagAdsPDFs/IASCA94_FPO.pdf

granted it was like 14 years ago, but see some **** high numbers have been achieved with JL...

the next year 2 more world records... and tons of 1st place trophies

http://mobile.jlaudio.com/pdfs/MagAdsPDFs/IASCA96_FPO.pdf

1996 MORE world record and 1st place awards...

Here is 1997..

http://mobile.jlaudio.com/pdfs/MagAdsPDFs/IASCA97_FPO.pdf

ANOTHER world record and like 40 more awards

JL is simply at a point where they don't need to compete anymore, their name is allready there, now they get to sit back and go fishing for cash

HMMM so why don't you see much JL in the lanes anymore when at a time over a THIRD of the lanes were occupied by JL for almost 10 years in a row?

Heres why... MONEY!!!

Kicker now produces the 18" monster sub solo-x you can easily get new for under 1000 bucks.

JL downsized, no longer offers an 18" or a 15" but instead uses their manufacturing ability to create the Custom* 13" (imo this was a market strategy to get those who had say a 13w1 and lazily wanted more to upgrade within JL.)

top it off... the 13W7 is STILL difficult to get for less than 800... but it still would seem to keep up with if not over-sell monster subs like the solo-x...

SO WHY THE HELL WOULD THEY MAKE SOMETHING BIGGER?!?!

JL manufactures everything themselves... this means a change in production isn't as simple as it is for someone who ships in parts from out-side sources.

A new line of subs means an expensive research and design program, entire new lines to build a model that might flop in the first week cause only .01% car audio buyers would touch the stupid massive and outrageously expensive sub.

no no no you will only see a company of JL's standing come out with lines that give a clear tactical sales advantage like the tW5 for example... before it there was not really a huge selection of truely awsome thin subs. this product didn't undercut any of JL's other products, and infact widend the market to people seeking stealth and truck systems. It broke my heart not being able to fit anything bigger than a W3 in a down-firing box under the back seat of my truck... but bet your *** i plan on picking up some of those tW5's when i get the extra cash... space to performance advantage is just outrageous... i like my sh!t invisible

anyway there is no way JL would make a line better than the W7 Because they get Top dollar for it and to make it not undercut the W7 they would have to make it so expensive no one would buy it.

/book

 

[Towncar 10+ year member]

most all jl's sube are geared toward sq, but the 13w6v2 would be abetter choice than the w3v3 to compair to the l7.when the w6v2 first came out, i had a 12" in a ported box in an extended cab s-10 running of an mtx 8100d and i tell ya what, that thing was quite impressive for an sq driver. now the 12 dd that replaced it was hands down much, much louder, sq wise mabie not but thoes setups were for me to be heard a block or two away

-vic

Wrong.. The w7 would be the best driver to compare to the kicker output wise. Its the only jl that can put out some real numbers imo.

 

[thevic24 5,000+ posts]

And just think about it for a sec...
http://mobile.jlaudio.com/pdfs/MagAdsPDFs/Braaaap_FPO.pdf

5 w3v1's that are rated at 400 watts a piece threw out 171.7!?!

the new W3v3's are rated for 600!

but i guess you are right... W3's couldn't keep up with L7's

that was with 5 amps at 10,000 watts- 2,000 each.

and on your w6v2 note, i sent my 12w6v2(rated at 400 or so back then) a solid 1000 rms in the recomended ported box and it took every bit of it with no probs.

jl has cence upped the rattings on all of there drivers now.

 

[dman4486 5,000+ posts]

And just think about it for a sec...
http://mobile.jlaudio.com/pdfs/MagAdsPDFs/Braaaap_FPO.pdf

5 w3v1's that are rated at 400 watts a piece threw out 171.7!?!

the new W3v3's are rated for 600!

but i guess you are right... W3's couldn't keep up with L7's

don't get me wrong, but you are off subject.

10kw what...is that rms? and would you run that daily?(same question you asked of the L7 on 1200 while claiming that people that are running them over 1kw are full of it)

what type of enclosure was this? maybe a bandpass? One note wonder that someone spent months engineering to fit the vehicle and drivers and spit out 171db but sound like *** anywhere else?

I still believe that with my experience with the two, the L7 will handle more power, but as everyone including yourself has stated it will be install dependent.

What would 5 L7 15" in a one note wonder box with 4 or 5 times rated power output? Hell if I will ever know

 

[thevic24 5,000+ posts]

don't get me wrong, but you are off subject.
10kw what...is that rms? and would you run that daily?(same question you asked of the L7 on 1200 while claiming that people that are running them over 1kw are full of it)

what type of enclosure was this? maybe a bandpass? One note wonder that someone spent months engineering to fit the vehicle and drivers and spit out 171db but sound like *** anywhere else?

I still believe that with my experience with the two, the L7 will handle more power, but as everyone including yourself has stated it will be install dependent.

What would 5 L7 15" in a one note wonder box with 4 or 5 times rated power output? Hell if I will ever know

output? how about hearing loss

 

[dman4486 5,000+ posts]

output? how about hearing loss

171.xx = enough hearing loss for me

 

[GAM3OVR 5,000+ posts]

most all jl's sube are geared toward sq, but the 13w6v2 would be abetter choice than the w3v3 to compair to the l7.when the w6v2 first came out, i had a 12" in a ported box in an extended cab s-10 running of an mtx 8100d and i tell ya what, that thing was quite impressive for an sq driver. now the 12 dd that replaced it was hands down much, much louder, sq wise mabie not but thoes setups were for me to be heard a block or two away

-vic

No it wouldn't //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif

I was feeding my 13w6v2's with 1500 RMS ea sealed for a little bit.....

Simply because the other amplifiers i had were not enough ooomph...

But at no point did I reach even 1/2 amp power output when the subs were close to peak performance. Honestly 1k to 13w6v2 is plenty.

And just think about it for a sec...
http://mobile.jlaudio.com/pdfs/MagAdsPDFs/Braaaap_FPO.pdf

5 w3v1's that are rated at 400 watts a piece threw out 171.7!?!

the new W3v3's are rated for 600!

but i guess you are right... W3's couldn't keep up with L7's

5 15"s first of all, Yes you're going to get Thump. Second they were tuned to play a certain freq., and not for any other purpose.

Hell people can make a DD1508 (single 8" sub) sound like four 12's (but only above 45Hz)

Glad I did something productive today //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

Wrong.. The w7 would be the best driver to compare to the kicker output wise. Its the only jl that can put out some real numbers imo.

Yup. now a 12w7 vs 12L7 would be an interesting matchup.

that was with 5 amps at 10,000 watts- 2,000 each.and on your w6v2 note, i sent my 12w6v2(rated at 400 or so back then) a solid 1000 rms in the recomended ported box and it took every bit of it with no probs.

jl has cence upped the rattings on all of there drivers now.

i guess they didn't like their stupid users to clip their subs half to death //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/tongue.gif.6130eb82179565f6db8d26d6001dcd24.gif

 

[GAM3OVR 5,000+ posts]

don't get me wrong, but you are off subject.
10kw what...is that rms? and would you run that daily?(same question you asked of the L7 on 1200 while claiming that people that are running them over 1kw are full of it)

what type of enclosure was this? maybe a bandpass? One note wonder that someone spent months engineering to fit the vehicle and drivers and spit out 171db but sound like *** anywhere else?

I still believe that with my experience with the two, the L7 will handle more power, but as everyone including yourself has stated it will be install dependent.

What would 5 L7 15" in a one note wonder box with 4 or 5 times rated power output? Hell if I will ever know

Man.... that sounds like pandora's box or maybe a wormhole //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

As far as the rest of your comment, well said.

output? how about hearing loss

Whaja say? Speak up!

 

[dman4486 5,000+ posts]

Man.... that sounds like pandora's box or maybe a wormhole //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif
As far as the rest of your comment, well said.

I think I will have to sig that for myself because that IMO is by far my best post on this forum:veryhapp://content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/toast.gif.bc0657bf54b9ee653b6438524461341e.gif

 

[GAM3OVR 5,000+ posts]

I think I will have to sig that for myself because that IMO is by far my best post on this forum:veryhapp://content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/toast.gif.bc0657bf54b9ee653b6438524461341e.gif

I feel honored //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

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[cotjones 10+ year member]

re-read my long *** edit

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

don't get me wrong, but you are off subject.
10kw what...is that rms? and would you run that daily?(same question you asked of the L7 on 1200 while claiming that people that are running them over 1kw are full of it)

what type of enclosure was this? maybe a bandpass? One note wonder that someone spent months engineering to fit the vehicle and drivers and spit out 171db but sound like *** anywhere else?

I still believe that with my experience with the two, the L7 will handle more power, but as everyone including yourself has stated it will be install dependent.

What would 5 L7 15" in a one note wonder box with 4 or 5 times rated power output? Hell if I will ever know

ur missing the point... L7 is a newer line, and the older versions were *** imo. back in the day JL was a company much like kickker interested in putting up some numbers... but they proved themselves and no longer need to keep expensive sponsorships to sell stuff... ever seen 6 13W7's in a well built wall? rarely... why would you? that would be expensive as balls when you can probably win with less.

a W7 would rip off an L7's tinsels and beat it to death with them.