L7 or 13w3v3

[tsupra98 10+ year member]

Yes I did edit it...
not that we've got that "first off" out of the way...

You do know that your amp which is rated to put out 2000 RMS is not... or at least it shouldn't be putting out 2400 RMS right?

and you also know that your amp rated at 2000 RMS is not... or at least is not most of the time putting out 2000 RMS right?

Even if your car's voltage was directly proportionate to your amps output (which it is not by far) your car would have to run 15 volts to get 2400 watts.

the vr2000d is underrated by far. it's rated at 12.5 volts so i just went off what most amps these days are rated off of which is 14.4 volt. and at 14.4 volt it puts out right around 2400 rms. i'm not exactly sure cuz i never saw the birth sheet on this one. so at a burb when my voltage is up it should be right around there then when my voltage drops to right around 12 to 13 it's down to it's rated power so around 2000 rms.

 

[tsupra98 10+ year member]

Yes I did edit it...
not that we've got that "first off" out of the way...

You do know that your amp which is rated to put out 2000 RMS is not... or at least it shouldn't be putting out 2400 RMS right?

and you also know that your amp rated at 2000 RMS is not... or at least is not most of the time putting out 2000 RMS right?

Even if your car's voltage was directly proportionate to your amps output (which it is not by far) your car would have to run 15 volts to get 2400 watts.

the vr2000d is underrated by far. it's rated at 12.5 volts so i just went off what most amps these days are rated off of which is 14.4 volt. and at 14.4 volt it puts out right around 2400 rms. i'm not exactly sure cuz i never saw the birth sheet on this one. so at a burb when my voltage is up it should be right around there then when my voltage drops to right around 12 to 13 it's down to it's rated power so around 2000 rms.

 

[quest51210 10+ year member]

http://www.edesignaudio.com/

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

the vr2000d is underrated by far. it's rated at 12.5 volts so i just went off what most amps these days are rated off of which is 14.4 volt. and at 14.4 volt it puts out right around 2400 rms. i'm not exactly sure cuz i never saw the birth sheet on this one. so at a burb when my voltage is up it should be right around there then when my voltage drops to right around 12 to 13 it's down to it's rated power so around 2000 rms.

1. it's rated at 12.5 volts because truth be told most cars average that much...

2. FYI: even with your extra batt. you will rarely see 14.4 volts even burping

3. your L7's are not seeing 2400 daily

how did you set your gains?

 

[dman4486 5,000+ posts]

CJ...you sure do present yourself as a JL nutthugger.

 

[Dougsub 10+ year member]

5 pages on CA.com is NOT epic...QUOTE]

No but 5 pages of u b1tch1ng is pretty bad....

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

5 pages on CA.com is NOT epic...QUOTE]

No but 5 pages of u b1tch1ng is pretty bad....

pretty bad? i'll tell you whats pretty bad... your attempt to change my username in a quote.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

CJ...you sure do present yourself as a JL nutthugger.

why do you say that?

because i think W3's can be made to keep up with L7's?

i think its interesting that people are claiming that 12 L7's can take 1200rms daily which is 450 over what it's rated.

when JL's are known to be under-rated, yet no one can feed them more than 600 watts?...

Granted, there are plenty of senarios in which the L7's would crush the the W3,

and i would say that the L7 has more output potential. however there are plenty of senarios the w3 would excel at.

the 12" l7's require the same size enclosures as the 13w3, and the L7's do better in bigger boxes. if i had to do them in a small sealed box i'd take the w3's everytime, personal preference: (i wouldn't have an L7 unless i could put it in a large low tuned ported box.)

 

[TurdFergueson2 5,000+ posts]

Is that THE Cotjones? I heard the levels of fail are strong in you.

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

Is that THE Cotjones? I heard the levels of fail are strong in you.

Was that actually an attempt at a starwars burn?

 

[GAM3OVR 5,000+ posts]

FACTS:
You are still an idiot

You are a JL Fanboy

The Kicker will take lots more than W3

I don't care about piston area

You are still an idiot

The only thing i pull out of my *** is your mom's face after i'm done cleaning my anus folds

I have used both, so I'll pitch in my opinion too.

13w3v3 is rated for 400 RMS (read the manual it comes with when you buy 1) The most it can handle is 600 cont. Frankly, I wouldn't push any more then 600 on it. I also think the w3v3 line up is garbage, the older w3v2 was a much better SQ driver. For Sound Quality, I'd take a 15w3v2 over the 13w3v3 anyday. As far as the kicker l7 12" goes, it can take about 1 kw daily, and will get much louder as a 13w3v3. SQ between them will be about the same, because like I said previously, I think the w3v3 was not an "upgrade" for the w3 driver series.

Duh Pound for Pound of course just by the piston area a 12"L7 will crush the 12"W3 not to mention the stronger motor.

I said the 12" L7 Would be relatively the same in most applications as the 13w3v3

and I really like how i'm the idiot, but the one time in 10 i actually recomend JL audio, its only because i'm a fanboy, (which is only cause i have JL?)

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Everyone who would pick the JL's is wrong because they are just fanboys...

hahaha... No.

the 13w3v3 will take just as much power as the 12" L7.

the 13w3v3 has about the same piston area than the 12" L7.

the new version of the L7 in most applications has a slight edge in efficiency.

Why don't you pull some magic imaginary facts out of your asz that explain how the 12" L7 is Better than the 13w3v3 now?

YOUR FACTS ARE WRONG //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif

Hey i was right! hahaha sorry (entertaining myself)i've also got experience with both of them, and yes a system with ported 2 S12L7's and a system with 2 ported 13w3v3s sound very similar

We have seen your experiences before. If you'd like, I can bring up a few pictures I have saved:laugh:

i can find all the links you want....except JL they just don't seem to have any

I don't JL is much for show, other then what cartoys tries to rep for sale purposes. I just don't see JL pushing as much as Kicker does, they have no need to.

ok i may be dumb, but this guy has me beat...
5 pages on CA.com is NOT epic...

what is size to size ratio and why does that make one sub better than another?

Kicker makes a 18" L7? orly? r u sure?

hmmm didn't JL make up to 18" versions of the W3 and W6?

wow you like loud music? you must hate that single 12W-imp...

HOLY SH!T!!!!! if i don't listen to country bluegrass i don't need clarity?!?!?!

I actually think CotJones creamed somebody in this post //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/veryhappy.gif.fec4fed33b4a1279cf10bdd45a039dae.gif

Is that THE Cotjones? I heard the levels of fail are strong in you.

Turd, you just like posting Fail things in threads I think

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

I have used both, so I'll pitch in my opinion too.13w3v3 is rated for 400 RMS (read the manual it comes with when you buy 1) The most it can handle is 600 cont. Frankly, I wouldn't push any more then 600 on it. I also think the w3v3 line up is garbage, the older w3v2 was a much better SQ driver. For Sound Quality, I'd take a 15w3v2 over the 13w3v3 anyday. As far as the kicker l7 12" goes, it can take about 1 kw daily, and will get much louder as a 13w3v3. SQ between them will be about the same, because like I said previously, I think the w3v3 was not an "upgrade" for the w3 driver series.

this is actually a good response, well better than most, I'm sick of people just telling people they are wrong because others do, its just a bandwagon... only disagreement i have is the power handling of the 13w3... i had one sitting comfortably between 800-900 in a little under 3 cubes.

the thermal power rating of the 13w3 is 600rms, over that and the woofer isn't covered by warranty, however if your system has little enough distortion and you can achieve the power mechanically (depending on install) they can achieve much more power than rated. (just like alot of high-end subs)

 

[R/T Pimp 10+ year member]

I would buy niether.

 

[thevic24 5,000+ posts]

iam not too big a jl fan at regular prices, but if i can get them cheap than i guess i am.

you can to to jl's site, look under multi media/magazine adds and you will find all their records there.

everything is older but they have quite a few. they pulled off a 171.7db with 5 15w3 and 5 amps for a 2nd place finish to someone with 8 subs and 16 amps.

it seems back in the day they had a few world records for spl and sq that seem to set the stage for everything there is today.

now a friend of mine has a 12"l7(older) in a ported box and its loud for what it is and sounds ok but i have a 10w7 ported on a fusion nv-am25001 and that is quite louder and better sounding than the l7.

i dont have any expierence with the 13w3v3 but i would have to say that the l7 would be the winner there, now a 13w6v2 mabie not

just my .02

-vic

 

[GAM3OVR 5,000+ posts]

this is actually a good response, well better than most, I'm sick of people just telling people they are wrong because others do, its just a bandwagon... only disagreement i have is the power handling of the 13w3... i had one sitting comfortably between 800-900 in a little under 3 cubes.
the thermal power rating of the 13w3 is 600rms, over that and the woofer isn't covered by warranty, however if your system has little enough distortion and you can achieve the power mechanically (depending on install) they can achieve much more power than rated. (just like alot of high-end subs)

Thanks I suppose.

The 13w3v3 won't last long running 900 Cont. And I'd like to see your box/ specs/ what amp/ etc. if you ran 900 in a ported enclosure for a 13w3

Secondly I have pics of a BNIB 13w3v3. It is rated for 400 RMS. I can post link if need be

I think the UTTER MOST that I would ever run daily on a 13w3v3, and this being in a sealed enclosure, would be 750 RMS.

In a ported, 600.