Dude get off the W7s nads, its a 4 year old woofer thats still top of the line in the SQL department. Everyone keeps saying there are much better, define much better... thats right you can't. Theres really not a lot of woofers that can hang with the W7 for what its meant to do. There are some that are close, but they still haven't been able to truly embarrass it... it holds its own... every time. You can throw out all these bogus claims that the Mag handles more power, etc. but you haven't done the testing to prove it. Not to mention you avoid all the W7s advantages such as its suspension capabilities vs the Mag. You are just biased and spewing nonsense. Furthermore, you throw price tag into the mix. Its not hard at ALL to get a 12W7 authorized for around $450. The Mag doesn't even beat it in value...
Don't think I'm insulting the Mag in anyway, I JUST bought one from the group buy because the value at that price actually did make it unbeatable. Its just that you keep talking up the Mag like its God's gift to the world while bashing the W7 for no reason. They are really two subs with similar output and SQ capabilities that sell for around the same price. Some prefer one, some prefer the other. Stop wasting your time talking up your sub against the W7, it just makes me respect the W7 more.
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Way to make it go from a civil discussion to an "omfg gtfo it roxors!11!1!11"
As for your statements.
1.) The mag CAN handle more power. Give a w7 12 1600w RMS...sub go poof. Give a mag 1600w and it sure as hell wont like it but it will keep alive for a good while before it go poof.
2.) The w7's suspension advantages are moot if the motor can push it far enough to take advantage of the suspension. The Mag will suffer from Vas Power compression sooner but both woofers will meet Bl power compression long before Vas power compression becomes a huge deal.
3.) Show me a Mag 12 for $450 authorized through JL with a JL warranty. Buying one from a reputable unauthroized dealer will cost you upwards of $600.
http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=12043
4.) I never said the Mag was some tyle of holy woofer. There are better and I am not denying that. But in that price range I think it is the best all around bang for buck. In the w7's price range it isnt the best bang for buck and that is for sure. There are plenty of woofers I'd rather try out in the w7's price range but simply dont have the money.
5.) I do have testing to back up my claims. Not only do I own two Mag 15's but I've had my hand in a few w7 installs and heard a few others as well.
6.) I never said the w7 was a bad woofer. I said the w7 isnt worth the money IMO and there are better for less. Not so much better. Better. Better to my ears, a little louder for the Mic, can handle a little more power. Better. That defines better. You can have two great runners but one can have a little better form and run a couple seconds faster in the 400. Who is the coach going to choose to run the 400 at state? The slightly better runner.
7.) What exactly did JL design the woofer to do. Some people claim it to be the pinnacle of SQ woofers. Other call it the loudest woofer on the market. Dealers call it the shiznit. I call it a good woofer with a good design which I've had a bad experence with and whose price tag I do not agree with.
You said exactly what I was trying to say here....good wording.
After looking through the 12 challenge, I must say that the W7 impressed me quite a bit. Especially knowing how good it sounds in real life too.
Not one sub in there could be called "more impressive" than the W7 if you look at the numbers collectively. The W7 hung with the BTL (SPL wise) which was running on twice the power.
My point is exactly what Hundreth stated in his post. After 4 years on the market, the W7 still holds its own and is even better in certain respects (just as it's competitors are to it in some categories).
I didn't want to keep this post going, I just like to chat too much sometimes...but I will stop griping about this now.
How long has the MT been on the market? XXX? Brahma? Point and case right there.
In the end JL has something that will always be backed by people like you. I do not mean that in an insulting way at all. You obviously love your w7 and nothign is going to change your mind. I have no problem with that nor is there anything wrong with that. There are Brahma MKI lovers and there are Round SoloX lovers.
I feel if this discussion carries any further it will turn into a shit storm. Not from you or myself but from others who like to jump on people with out reading the whole discussion. So I'm ending it now.
My offer still stands with the Mag. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif
