First of all, who gives a shit... as audioholic already pointed out, power handling means almost nothing unless you are trying to squeeze every last 10th of a decibel out of your setup. In that case, I can find better woofers for the job than both the Mag and the W7.
Actually they are not moot, its possible to bottom out a Mag, its not possible to bottom out a W7. Less things to worry about. Its easy for you to make powerhandling relevant but suspension moot.
I said that its not hard, not that its available everywhere for those prices. My friend bought a 12W7 authorized at a dealer for $500 and I think if he bargained a little more he could have gotten it for even less.
You put your Mag on a pedestal compared to the W7 for the past 7 pages...
Wow great, because you've installed two different woofers in two different setups you can objectively deduce SQ, SPL, and thermal powerhandling. I wish I was you. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif
A minute powerhandling advantage and a little louder on the Mic defines better? I don't even have to argue this nonsense.
They designed it to sound good and get loud enough for most people. I think you are the one unsure of what the Mag was designed for since you are touting minute powerhandling as constituting a better woofer.
Pages and pages of you bashing the W7 over and over... one person calls you out and its time to end it. Wise choice.
Of course it does. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif
Actually I ended it because I knew you would do this exact shit spew putting words in my mouth and reading out of context.
so here it goes. If it doesnt sink into your thick headed brain this time oh well.
First of all, who gives a shit... as audioholic already pointed out, power handling means almost nothing unless you are trying to squeeze every last 10th of a decibel out of your setup. In that case, I can find better woofers for the job than both the Mag and the W7.
So if I want a woofer that I can take down and be competitive in dB Drag/Bassrace burping with double the rated power handling and bassracing with 500w over power handling. Then ride home listening to the best of AC/DC with perfect SQ you can think of a better woofer for me than the Mag in that price range? All without changing enclosures?
Actually they are not moot, its possible to bottom out a Mag, its not possible to bottom out a W7. Less things to worry about. Its easy for you to make power handling relevant but suspension moot.
Actually, if you read what I said, both speakers will suffer from Bl power compression before Vas power compression becomes a huge deal. Let me explain this to you. Coming from an SQ stand point you will begin to have linear distortion from the coil moving out of the gap before the suspension starts causing linear distortion. The Mag only bottoms out RIGHT before it maxes out the suspension. Why? To tell the user to back the volume off. As Nick at SI said, it is much better indicator to less experienced users than the spider hitting the top plate. It still takes a shit ton of power to hit that back plate in anything but a big sealed enclosure.
I said that its not hard, not that its available everywhere for those prices. My friend bought a 12W7 authorized at a dealer for $500 and I think if he bargained a little more he could have gotten it for even less.
Well then you need to go down there and pick up about 5 of theist and put them on
eBay. Did your friend walk in and buy the woofer or did he also pay for them to install it? If they installed it what "price" they gave him holds no water in this discussion as he also paid them a hefty amount to install his woofer. Probably at least $50 an hour with 3-4 hours of work.
You put your Mag on a pedestal compared to the W7 for the past 7 pages...
this is where you get putting on a pedestal and offering a different perspective messed up. I use the Mag in most of my references because it is my favorite woofer. I guess audioholic has been putting the w7 on a pedestal for the last 7 pages. Oh wait he is offering a different perspective in a CIVIL discussion.
Wow great, because you've installed two different woofers in two different setups you can objectively deduce SQ, SPL, and thermal powerhandling. I wish I was you. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif
OK wise guy. The Mag 15 and the Mag 12 have the same coil and suspensions are set up to perform in a similar manner with the different moving masses. That gives me a perspective on how much power the Mag 12 will handle. I've put the w7 12 in enclosures with 1200w amplifiers and made them get a little stinky.
Now, what size the cone is has little to do with whether or not the woofer can have good sound quality. I guess XXX 12's are SQ monsters where as XXX 15's are geared for SPL?
Again I didn’t even say the w7 12 had bad SQ. I said I had bad experiences. If you’ve read the whole thread you would know Vie been a victim of the wooshy buzz. The odd noise. In my head or not I also admitted that I would run 8w7's and 10w7's. I also already said that I dont know if this sound is from the larger cone size or the difference in the motors because w7's share no major parts with each other.
A minute powerhandling advantage and a little louder on the Mic defines better? I don't even have to argue this nonsense.
way to read out of context. read below. The whole thing.
I never said the w7 was a bad woofer. I said the w7 isnt worth the money IMO and there are better for less. Not so much better. Better. Better to my ears, a little louder for the Mic, can handle a little more power. Better. That defines better. You can have two great runners but one can have a little better form and run a couple seconds faster in the 400. Who is the coach going to choose to run the 400 at state? The slightly better runner.
From better to my ear I figured you could have concluded that means better SQ. Or perhaps if you had just read the past 7 pages that you like to rant about.
They designed it to sound good and get loud enough for most people. I think you are the one unsure of what the Mag was designed for since you are touting minute powerhandling as constituting a better woofer.
From JL's site they say their challenged was designing a really loud woofer with out a loss in SQ. With you’re out of context reading that could mean an SPL monster with good SQ. What I said there, and what you read wrong, was that Dealers market it as the loud woofer, none louder. Some people like audioholic claim it to be the ultimate SQ woofer. Its purpose is the same as the Mages. Get loud and sound good. I'm not arguing that. What was the Mag designed for? and SQ woofer that could double as one hell of a street ponder/SPL lanner. And it achieves that with undeniable perfection
IN MY OPINION. If you want to argue my opinion you may as well move to Washington and become a politician.
Pages and pages of you bashing the W7 over and over... one person calls you out and its time to end it. Wise choice.
Incorrect. Pages of having a civil discussion on caraudio.com...one in a million...between my self and another. Two different opinions, two different points of view. Others throwing their two cents in here and there. What do you do? Turn it into a genuine CA.com shit storm. Out of context, argumentative, hot headed, shit storm.
If you would like to participate in the discussion try responding in a civil manner. Not calling others opinion nonsense and trying to start arguments that have already been covered.
