Just to clear things up a bit

[bose301s 5,000+ posts]

The only reason I ever bring this up is because religious beliefs (actually, unfounded beliefs in general) are spread largely through indoctrination. The Christians were smart and got their killing in early so that they already had a good foothold on the populus. Even after the killing stopped, you would be ostracized from the community and kept out of positions you were qualified for because you were not Christian.
Besides, your argument suggests that there are extremely few Christians on the planet. I doubt you could even count yourself as one.

Well, They got it in early due to the fact that the religion is older than Islam. The Crusades were ~ 1000 years after the birth of the religion. The Islamic "crusade" ie. current terrorist activities, are occurring ~1400 years after the religion began, not a huge difference from founding to their crusades than the Christian ones, they just were founded later. Either way killing in the name of God is totally contradictory to the idea of a God.

 

[Rashaddd 5,000+ posts]

Well, They got it in early due to the fact that the religion is older than Islam. The Crusades were ~ 1000 years after the birth of the religion. The Islamic "crusade" ie. current terrorist activities, are occurring ~1400 years after the religion began, not a huge difference from founding to their crusades than the Christian ones, they just were founded later. Either way killing in the name of God is totally contradictory to the idea of a God.

Wrong, Islam had "crusades" when it first arose and began to spread across Europe and Asia and the Middle East. Today's "crusades" as you called them are nothing more than a few terrible people who are using Islam to justify their actions and are corrupting the minds of young muslims and convincing them that this is right.

The fact that much of this is coming out of areas where more and more kids and young adults are orphans and have lost their families (thanks to the US, for the most part) only increases their natural resentment towards their invaders and spoon feeds them into the hands of these terrorist leaders and groups...

 

[newusername 10+ year member]

There is quite a difference between 1000 and 1400, logically and statistically.

I think current Islamic extremism is more reactionary to external influences (protecting their religious and political freedom), whereas the crusades were an attempt to force the religion upon others and continue to manipulate power. Keep in mind also that the original crusades were often targeted specifically AT muslims, so it is easier to sympathize with the reaction from Islam than it is the instigation from Christianity. This is not to say that such warring did not occur prior to the crusades (in fact, the first Crusade was a reaction to an insurgence of Islam); rather, Christianity greatly escalated the problem.

 

[Rashaddd 5,000+ posts]

Current "Islamic" terrorism is more alike the "Christian" KKK than anything else.

 

[newusername 10+ year member]

Either way killing in the name of God is totally contradictory to the idea of a God.

Totally disagree. There is nothing about god that says anything about morality.

 

[newusername 10+ year member]

Current "Islamic" terrorism is more alike the "Christian" KKK than anything else.

Aside from the international relations aspect of it, that is a very good analogy.

 

[mugen08 10+ year member]

There is quite a difference between 1000 and 1400, logically and statistically.
I think Islamic extremism is more reactionary to external influences (protecting their religious and political freedom), whereas the crusades were an attempt to force the religion upon others and continue to manipulate power. Keep in mind also that the original crusades were often targeted specifically AT muslims, so it is easier to sympathize with the reaction from Islam than it is the instigation from Christianity. This is not to say that such warring did not occur prior to the crusades (in fact, the first Crusade was a reaction to an insurgence of Islam); rather, Christianity greatly escalated the problem.

That's where you are wrong brotha.

If those men had been practicing true Christianity, the Crusades would have never happened.

I don't think anyone truly practicing Christianity has ever escallated any real problem.

 

[newusername 10+ year member]

Well for starters, define true Christianity. Is it the contemporary version, where you ignore 90% of what god said? Or are you fundamentalist, using the word of god to guide your actions?

 

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[Megalomaniac 5,000+ posts]

One man's poop is another mans Ice cream

 

[mugen08 10+ year member]

Well for starters, define true Christianity. Is it the contemporary version, where you ignore 90% of what god said? Or are you fundamentalist, using the word of god to guide your actions?

I thought I already went over this.

To abide by the teachings of Christ is to be a true Christian.

It's simple.

 

[Rashaddd 5,000+ posts]

I thought I already went over this.To abide by the teachings of Christ is to be a true Christian.

It's simple.

What's wrong with abiding by the teachings and word of God?

 

[newusername 10+ year member]

What's wrong with abiding by the teachings and word of God?

But Christ is god, thus the teachings are one and the same.

Or if we want to argue that they are in fact separate, may I ask why one would follow Christ's teachings rather than god's?

 

[mugen08 10+ year member]

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[Rashaddd 5,000+ posts]

But Christ is god, thus the teachings are one and the same.
Or if we want to argue that they are in fact separate, may I ask why one would follow Christ's teachings rather than god's?

That is where Christian belief differs from Islamic and Judaic belief. We do not see Christ as God, he is a prophet, just like all the other prophets. Why Christians decided their prophet was somehow "The Son of God" and all the other prophets are trivial in comparison is beyond me. Perhaps the same way they decided they should kill, ****, or enslave anyone in their path who didn't believe the same thing or wasn't white...