Just to clear things up a bit

[RAM_Designs 5,000+ posts]

I said nothing of the sort.

You said that self-claimed Christians who killed in the name of Christ are not the same as Muslim extremists who kill in the name of their religion...then you said it's because Christ didn't condone killing. I'd assume you inferred that other religions do condone killing(or at least think it's ok), hence why it's not the same in your eyes.

News flash: it's the same. Extremists of all religions are the same kinds of people.

 

[Grinder1989 5,000+ posts]

god **** it, here we go again with another one of these" iam right and your wrong-no iam right and your wrong" bs threads.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

I don't know why all these believers just don't STFU. By Christianity, I can slaughter a room full of people, then pray to god and go to confession and my slate is wiped clean. If you truly believed in your religion, you wouldn't ever sin. That is why Christianity is flawed. I don't care what you believe or what Muhammed or Gandi believe either. If you want to believe in anything, believe in yourself. You, as a person, control your own life. There is no fate, faith, or light at the end of the tunnel. You make yourself what you are and the way you live your life and not a **** thing is going to change it but you. I know I'm wasting my time writing this all out because most of the religious people are too ignorant to see that being religious is stupid and just because everyone else is doing it, makes it socially acceptable. If you choose to be that way then it's all you. I'll just employ common sense and live my life the way I want to.

 

[Andrizzle 10+ year member]

I don't know why all these believers just don't STFU. By Christianity, I can slaughter a room full of people, then pray to god and go to confession and my slate is wiped clean. If you truly believed in your religion, you wouldn't ever sin. That is why Christianity is flawed. I don't care what you believe or what Muhammed or Gandi believe either. If you want to believe in anything, believe in yourself. You, as a person, control your own life. There is no fate, faith, or light at the end of the tunnel. You make yourself what you are and the way you live your life and not a **** thing is going to change it but you. I know I'm wasting my time writing this all out because most of the religious people are too ignorant to see that being religious is stupid and just because everyone else is doing it, makes it socially acceptable. If you choose to be that way then it's all you. I'll just employ common sense and live my life the way I want to.

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this.

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[mugen08 10+ year member]

Your dislike for Islam is identical to the arguments you're disputing against Christianity, fuck head.
And yes, there are an assload of people who deliberately go directly against what Jesus taught, and still claim to be christians, or think they can go to church every sunday, be immoral every other day of the week, and be a good christian.

I never said I had a problem w/ Islam. You misinterpreted what I said.

You said that self-claimed Christians who killed in the name of Christ are not the same as Muslim extremists who kill in the name of their religion...then you said it's because Christ didn't condone killing. I'd assume you inferred that other religions do condone killing(or at least think it's ok), hence why it's not the same in your eyes.
News flash: it's the same. Extremists of all religions are the same kinds of people.

Another poor interpretation of what I said.

I DO NOT believe all Muslims want to kill Americans.

What I am saying is that the crusades put, in some peoples minds, Christians as a whole in the same category as terrorists.

I don't know why all these believers just don't STFU. By Christianity, I can slaughter a room full of people, then pray to god and go to confession and my slate is wiped clean. If you truly believed in your religion, you wouldn't ever sin. That is why Christianity is flawed. I don't care what you believe or what Muhammed or Gandi believe either. If you want to believe in anything, believe in yourself. You, as a person, control your own life. There is no fate, faith, or light at the end of the tunnel. You make yourself what you are and the way you live your life and not a **** thing is going to change it but you. I know I'm wasting my time writing this all out because most of the religious people are too ignorant to see that being religious is stupid and just because everyone else is doing it, makes it socially acceptable. If you choose to be that way then it's all you. I'll just employ common sense and live my life the way I want to.

No.

The idea is to NOT sin in the first place.

This is where many Catholics think they can take advantage of Gods mercy.

I believe that if you fall under this mindset, and do not truly repent, you will not be forgiven.

And by repent, I mean to vow to God not to do it again and really mean it.

I do believe you will be punished while still on earth, however.

 

[Grinder1989 5,000+ posts]

No.

The idea is to NOT sin in the first place.

This is where many Catholics think they can take advantage of Gods mercy.

I believe that if you fall under this mindset, and do not truly repent, you will not be forgiven.

And by repent, I mean to vow to God not to do it again and really mean it.

I do believe you will be punished while still on earth, however.

But the fact of the matter is that I can be forgiven of it, even blasphemies....So I can do the most ****ed up things in the world and then be forgiven of it....People do it every day. That's why your religion is flawed.

 

[mugen08 10+ year member]

But the fact of the matter is that I can be forgiven of it, even blasphemies....So I can do the most ****ed up things in the world and then be forgiven of it....People do it every day. That's why your religion is flawed.

But if you do it under that assumption you will not be forgiven until you truly repent.

At which point you should not have the desire to do it again.

That is called repentance.

You muse repent to be forgiven.

Get it?

 

[Grinder1989 5,000+ posts]

But if you do it under that assumption you will not be forgiven until you truly repent.At which point you should not have the desire to do it again.

That is called repentance.

You muse repent to be forgiven.

Get it?

Who's to judge the value of your repentance then? God?

 

[Vermithrax 10+ year member]

Who's to judge the value of your repentance then? God?

Good call. And a man know's in his own heart the sincerity of his repentence and God knows if man's heart is true. Therefore in essence a man will judge himself and become self-regulating if his heart is true.

 

[mugen08 10+ year member]

Who's to judge the value of your repentance then? God?

Bingo!

Good call. And a man know's in his own heart the sincerity of his repentence and God knows if man's heart is true. Therefore in essence a man will judge himself and become self-regulating if his heart is true.

Not sure where you'r going w/ this.

 

[Rashaddd 5,000+ posts]

I DO NOT believe all Muslims want to kill Americans.What I am saying is that the crusades put, in some peoples minds, Christians as a whole in the same category as terrorists.

I don't see you worrying about people who put muslims as a whole in the same category as terrorists. According to your logic (which, what you're trying to say, is true), no muslim is a terrorist, just as no real christian would be killing in the name of God, etc. So why do you insist we don't refer to those Christians in the same way as you continue to refer to their Muslim counterpart?

 

[WhoSayWho? 5,000+ posts]

I don't see you worrying about people who put muslims as a whole in the same category as terrorists. According to your logic (which, what you're trying to say, is true), no muslim is a terrorist, just as no real christian would be killing in the name of God, etc. So why do you insist we don't refer to those Christians in the same way as you continue to refer to their Muslim counterpart?

You're gonna kill us all, aren't you?

 

[newusername 10+ year member]

I believe that some people are a little confused about this subject, so I thought I'd clear the ait a bit.
Seems like people believe that once upon a time Christians went around killing in the name of Christ.

This is a common misconception that is often used as a weapon to degrade Christians and Christianity, stating that Christians are just as sick as Muslim extremist terrorists who kill in the name of their god.

This logic is, however flawed, due to the fact that Christ did not condone murder, and the definition of a Christian is someone who follows the teachings of Christ and strives to mimic his life through theirs.

Therefore anyone who commits murder in the name of Christ is not a true Christian.

Period. Thanks for reading.

Cliffs

-Christians accused of killing in the crusades

-Christ does not condone killing

-The crusaders were not true Christians.

The only reason I ever bring this up is because religious beliefs (actually, unfounded beliefs in general) are spread largely through indoctrination. The Christians were smart and got their killing in early so that they already had a good foothold on the populus. Even after the killing stopped, you would be ostracized from the community and kept out of positions you were qualified for because you were not Christian.

Besides, your argument suggests that there are extremely few Christians on the planet. I doubt you could even count yourself as one.

 

[Vermithrax 10+ year member]

Bingo!


Not sure where you'r going w/ this.

I don't see what was confusing about it. Call it self-discipline. If a man chooses to live life in a Christian way, he will base his decisions on the Christian beliefs which he has adopted to his lifestyle. That entails using good judgement as to whether or not his decisions are right based on those beliefs. If he does wrong and truly repents for it, he'll make every effort to be aware from then on so as to not repeat the offense. That means he would be self-regulating vs. having God steer him around like a robot. Free-will and all that.

 

[mugen08 10+ year member]

The only reason I ever bring this up is because religious beliefs (actually, unfounded beliefs in general) are spread largely through indoctrination. The Christians were smart and got their killing in early so that they already had a good foothold on the populus. Even after the killing stopped, you would be ostracized from the community and kept out of positions you were qualified for because you were not Christian.
Besides, your argument suggests that there are extremely few Christians on the planet. I doubt you could even count yourself as one.

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[mugen08 10+ year member]

I don't see what was confusing about it. Call it self-discipline. If a man chooses to live life in a Christian way, he will base his decisions on the Christian beliefs which he has adopted to his lifestyle. That entails using good judgement as to whether or not his decisions are right based on those beliefs. If he does wrong and truly repents for it, he'll make every effort to be aware from then on so as to not repeat the offense. That means he would be self-regulating vs. having God steer him around like a robot. Free-will and all that.

Right on.