Im thinking of trading my JL Audio for these ... what do you think?

[r0llinlacs 10+ year member]

It's all good. If you had a DD heWould believe it truly was a 144.7 lol.

Exactly. Just another hater. Notice he didn't say **** when I told him the only person to hit 155 on our meter had 4 DC 15's you know cause that sounds about right but he'd never admit that. According to him 4 15's on 10k watts should only be 145db...... psh. Dude can **** my ****.

 

[mazdakid 5,000+ posts]

Audio control meters aren't accurate and aren't reliable.

 

[LosIsATool 5,000+ posts]

It's all good. If you had a DD heWould believe it truly was a 144.7 lol.

From a trunk on 1k. No I wouldn't.

 

[MrFoca]

Audio control meters aren't accurate and aren't reliable.

They were the rave back in the day. I remember some comps I went to they were used.

 

[mazdakid 5,000+ posts]

They were the rave back in the day. I remember some comps I went to they were used.

Ya shop owners could turn up the sensitivity knob and make you think your car was louder than it really is.

 

[r0llinlacs 10+ year member]

Ya shop owners could turn up the sensitivity knob and make you think your car was louder than it really is.

Lol, that's not what the sensitivity knob does. It merely sets the minimum DB reading. You can tell in my vid, it was set at 143.8db and it says UND until I hit 143.8db, then it reads. The other kid turns it down once he realized that and I was doing 143 steady on music and it read DB all the way down to 142.8, which was after a 50 second constant run and the alternator couldn't keep up. It just sets the minimum dB needed for it not to read UND. Seriously, misinformation is rampant on all car audio forums.

From a trunk on 1k. No I wouldn't.

Lol, he's also a trunk hater. Dude hasn't experienced trunk gain. It's an advantage. There's cabin gain in all vehicles, but trunk vehicles also have trunk gain if you don't wall it off (and if it's not walled off from the factory) and trunk gain + cabin gain = more gain period = louder, but it all depends on the vehicle. Cabin gain is what makes cars louder than houses/buildings etc. and trunk cars have trunk gain that stacks on top of cabin gain which creates even more gain/higher dB than vehicles without trunks and with the same equipment, the only downfall is space limitations and tuning totally depends on the vehicle. I will say I would not expect that single 12 to be any where near as loud in my SUV but in my little Altima, it was a lot. There was just something about the tuning of that vehicle and the trunk was very open to the cab, the center console flipped down and there were vents on the rear deck (which were destroyed by that single 12, among other things including the metal roof-mounted rear-view) which helped tremendously. It sounded 10x quieter with the center console up. Every car is different, he just doesn't understand that trunk cars are different and that under the right circumstances with the right tuning and the right car, high numbers are possible. The Altima was a great car for beats, I've had two of them and even two crappy 10" bottom of the line Pioneers in a crappy 1/2" particle board prefab tube-ported box on 300 watts surprised the hell out of everybody. I've had countless systems in my Altimas and they all sounded amazing, the T1+1000/1 being the loudest of them all, the only thing that compared in loudness was a 12" L7 in a custom box but it was crap SQ, the T1 got even louder and sounded 100x better doing it. It's ALL about vehicle tuning, tuning of boxes, and good power. If you want to be loud, you tune your system around the vehicle, not the other way around.

 

[Jeffdachef 5,000+ posts]

And you forgot the two most important ******* factors: TRUNK GAIN and the BOX.

I have no doubt that 12 will be pretty loud but the new method of accurate metering aka termpro's termlab used in official competutions is merciless. I had that same meter meter my old corolla with a zcon 12 at 158 db and i know for sure mines aint even close to that from being in cars in 150s at a comp.

 

[LosIsATool 5,000+ posts]

lol, that's not what the sensitivity knob does. It merely sets the minimum db reading. You can tell in my vid, it was set at 143.8db and it says und until i hit 143.8db, then it reads. The other kid turns it down once he realized that and i was doing 143 steady on music and it read db all the way down to 142.8, which was after a 50 second constant run and the alternator couldn't keep up. It just sets the minimum db needed for it not to read und. Seriously, misinformation is rampant on all car audio forums.


Lol, he's also a trunk hater. Dude hasn't experienced trunk gain. It's an advantage. There's cabin gain in all vehicles, but trunk vehicles also have trunk gain if you don't wall it off (and if it's not walled off from the factory) and trunk gain + cabin gain = more gain period = louder, but it all depends on the vehicle. Cabin gain is what makes cars louder than houses/buildings etc. And trunk cars have trunk gain that stacks on top of cabin gain which creates even more gain/higher db than vehicles without trunks and with the same equipment, the only downfall is space limitations and tuning totally depends on the vehicle. I will say i would not expect that single 12 to be any where near as loud in my suv but in my little altima, it was a lot. There was just something about the tuning of that vehicle and the trunk was very open to the cab, the center console flipped down and there were vents on the rear deck (which were destroyed by that single 12, among other things including the metal roof-mounted rear-view) which helped tremendously. It sounded 10x quieter with the center console up. Every car is different, he just doesn't understand that trunk cars are different and that under the right circumstances with the right tuning and the right car, high numbers are possible. The altima was a great car for beats, i've had two of them and even two crappy 10" bottom of the line pioneers in a crappy 1/2" particle board prefab tube-ported box on 300 watts surprised the hell out of everybody. I've had countless systems in my altimas and they all sounded amazing, the t1+1000/1 being the loudest of them all, the only thing that compared in loudness was a 12" l7 in a custom box but it was crap sq, the t1 got even louder and sounded 100x better doing it. It's all about vehicle tuning, tuning of boxes, and good power. If you want to be loud, you tune your system around the vehicle, not the other way around.

gtfo

 

[MrFoca]

I've seen some systems hit some pretty high numbers for what the person had. I remember one show a kid with a focus had 1-12 mtx 8500 I believe and some 800 watt mtx amp. He did like a 142 ish. That was on a term, so if you factor in what most audio control mics give is around 3 DB from what I've seen. Not saying it could be more. Would of been a 145+

 

[r0llinlacs 10+ year member]

gtfo

That's about the response I expected from you. Don't worry, I don't expect you to read all those words let alone understand them.

I've seen some systems hit some pretty high numbers for what the person had. I remember one show a kid with a focus had 1-12 mtx 8500 I believe and some 800 watt mtx amp. He did like a 142 ish. That was on a term, so if you factor in what most audio control mics give is around 3 DB from what I've seen. Not saying it could be more. Would of been a 145+

Our meter was almost dead on. There were basic people with 2 12's, 2 15's that only hit 138-140 and most basic single 12 systems only hit around 135 all the way to people with 4 15s walled on 10k getting 155. This dude is just a hater, plain and simple. The meter was fine and the T1 was a crazy underrated sub with **** tons of xmax and with good power in a tuned box, it's going to make numbers whether he likes it or not.

I have no doubt that 12 will be pretty loud but the new method of accurate metering aka termpro's termlab used in official competutions is merciless. I had that same meter meter my old corolla with a zcon 12 at 158 db and i know for sure mines aint even close to that from being in cars in 150s at a comp.

**** no you ain't doing 158 with a single 12 no ******* way, I don't care what it is. That's an obviously fucked up meter and I understand some people had problems with these meters but OURS WAS FINE.

To the OP SORRY THAT YOUR THREAD GOT HIJACKED BUT I HAD TO DEFEND MYSELF! Can't say one ******* thing here without getting attacked by ignorant know-it-alls!

 

[LosIsATool 5,000+ posts]

That's about the response I expected from you. Don't worry, I don't expect you to read all those words let alone understand them.


Our meter was almost dead on. There were basic people with 2 12's, 2 15's that only hit 138-140 and most basic single 12 systems only hit around 135 all the way to people with 4 15s walled on 10k getting 155. This dude is just a hater, plain and simple. The meter was fine and the T1 was a crazy underrated sub with **** tons of xmax and with good power in a tuned box, it's going to make numbers whether he likes it or not.

**** no you ain't doing 158 with a single 12 no ******* way, I don't care what it is. That's an obviously fucked up meter and I understand some people had problems with these meters but OURS WAS FINE.

To the OP SORRY THAT YOUR THREAD GOT HIJACKED BUT I HAD TO DEFEND MYSELF! Can't say one ******* thing here without getting attacked by ignorant know-it-alls!

How much Xmax does the T1 have? 14mm? Said part is I know you are not trolling.

 

[MrFoca]

I did a 143.7 my very first spl build I tried. 1 MTX RFL with a 1100.1 interfire amp. In a Honda Element on music lol. Bought the subs from Eddie afero and that's what started it all. Besides that it was just main stream stuff before that. Went on to DD and did a 150.2 broke the 150 mark I was happy haha. Now 150 is kind of the norm for street builds.

 

[r0llinlacs 10+ year member]

How much Xmax does the T1 have? 14mm? Said part is I know you are not trolling.

The only troll here is you... seriously give up. I'm -

I did a 143.7 my very first spl build I tried. 1 MTX RFL with a 1100.1 interfire amp. In a Honda Element on music lol. Bought the subs from Eddie afero and that's what started it all. Besides that it was just main stream stuff before that. Went on to DD and did a 150.2 broke the 150 mark I was happy haha. Now 150 is kind of the norm for street builds.

Yeah, the numbers are possible. This dude needs to stfu cause his only arguments so far are "AC not good" "stfu" and "gtfo". He's a child in a man's body.

 

[av83 10+ year member]

Trunk gain/vehicle gain/cabin gain. ....all misnomers. There are frequencies that reach the mic or ear with less cancellation, but none are technically amplified to a higher volume due to passing through the car...

 

[r0llinlacs 10+ year member]

Trunk gain/vehicle gain/cabin gain. ....all misnomers. There are frequencies that reach the mic or ear with less cancellation, but none are technically amplified to a higher volume due to passing through the car...

So according to what you say, a box doesn't amplify the sound, it just makes frequencies reach the ear with less cancellation. Lol. A cabin/trunk is essentially a box. Boxes cause gain. Cabins cause gain. Trunks cause gain. There is no debating that, the only differences are the shape and size of the cabin/trunk which results in different acoustical tuning per vehicle, just like a tuned box, a cabin/trunk has a tuning frequency as well. Cabin gain/trunk gain are most certainly NOT misnomers. It's reality and it's what makes every car different.