If JL is good but overpriced, at what price point should they be?

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

o0o0o so you fall for reverse marketing against jl?

you don't have good business sense because you have not shown any other than the fact you "buy car audio and cars cheap"

 

[Ignatowski 5,000+ posts]

I dont like JL so I dont buy it,I dont find it any better of a product than half the stuff in the market place .....The stuff is high dollar because they CAN charge that because

people keep coming back for more - Just like Rolex can charge 2500 and up for a watch

that doesnt tell time better than most watches out there..Benz cars cost a bunch but are they really better than BMW and AUDI ? See whos in the shop more , BENZ

....Its hype,prestige whatever you wanna call it ...Theres a person willing to pay for brand just not myself

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

i like the idmax over the w6 or 7 as well but i bet you dont know why...

also under actual use it seems to me more than a few people in head to head tests on super woofers took the w7 over the mtx ....

 

[newusername 10+ year member]

Yeah I have zero business sense because you said it. Great job //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/clap.gif.178cba2c538c68e720c727fcb024b19c.gif. Now tell me why. Looks like all you can is put together a poorly worded flame and ask for proof. You are comparing one of the most highly regarded SQ subs to a sub a lot of people say is poorer than its earlier counterpart (w6) and costs supposedly $1000. It's no contest why the IDMax is better. It sounds better, it costs 50% of the other sub's supposed "value" and it may take less power but its more sensitive and will go head to head and perform identical/better to the "$1000" speaker. You'd have to be dumbass to buy that driver under the circumstances.
Also, for shits and giggles: http://www.mtx.com/caraudio/headtohead/w7.cfm

Think what you want of me but you can't even justify the shit you say. Yeah I'm smarter than most shops - who are you?

Price has nothing to do with how good a speaker is, so quit bringing that up.

Show me the measurements that prove the IDMAX (or MTX 9500...lol) is better than a W7 and you will have won the argument.

 

[livinlegend 10+ year member]

Price has nothing to do with how good a speaker is, so quit bringing that up.
Show me the measurements that prove the IDMAX (or MTX 9500...lol) is better than a W7 and you will have won the argument.

The IDmax has better SQ but less output, so it's a tradeoff. Also for the price of a w7 you could get 2 IDMaxs and totally blow it out of the water. The MTX is better on paper only, because as with the 2 subs we're describing here measurements aren't everything.

Value has a lot to do with how good a speaker is - that's why you see the PG RSD 6.5's being purchased so much now. Competitively priced and they offer what people on here want in $300 speakers. Unless you're a millionare I don't believe you're so careless with your money that you'll pay 50% more for the same thing (and less sound quality).

I personally think the w7 sounds like shit compared to the IDMax - it's a matter of opinion and if you judge speakers by SPL sure the w7 has a slight edge cause you can "throw more at it." Big deal, that's not how I judge. And for that price it should be better than just "you can throw more at it"

Also again how convenient it's a 3 ohm overpriced driver and their similarly overpriced amp is marketed as the best way to power the overpriced driver. Although I'm sure the plethora of 2 ohm stable amps can handle the 3 ohm driver but do you really think dealers are telling that to customers? No. The whole company is a marketing ploy itself but I applaud them //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/clap.gif.178cba2c538c68e720c727fcb024b19c.gif they can rip off the average person. Again how is this marketing ploy any different than white van speakers? People who don't know any better are being sold a product at a greatly inflated price where quality does not match up with value and there are marketing ploys [(3 ohms - best subs in the world, etc)] being employed as a legitimate selling pitch. That is what I have been arguing all along.

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

The IDmax has better SQ but less output, so it's a tradeoff. Also for the price of a w7 you could get 2 IDMaxs and totally blow it out of the water. The MTX is better on paper only, because as with the 2 subs we're describing here measurements aren't everything.
Value has a lot to do with how good a speaker is - that's why you see the PG RSD 6.5's being purchased so much now. Competitively priced and they offer what people on here want in $300 speakers. Unless you're a millionare I don't believe you're so careless with your money that you'll pay 50% more for the same thing (and less sound quality).

I personally think the w7 sounds like shit compared to the IDMax - it's a matter of opinion and if you judge speakers by SPL sure the w7 has a slight edge cause you can "throw more at it." Big deal, that's not how I judge. And for that price it should be better than just "you can throw more at it"

Also again how convenient it's a 3 ohm overpriced driver and their similarly overpriced amp is marketed as the best way to power the overpriced driver.

weak sauce.....90% of how a speaker or sub sounds is how it is installed and set up. if the PG RSD was selling so good you wouldnt be seeing 300 pair on ebay going for 90 bucks....

 

[livinlegend 10+ year member]

weak sauce.....90% of how a speaker or sub sounds is how it is installed and set up. if the PG RSD was selling so good you wouldnt be seeing 300 pair on ebay going for 90 bucks....

Yes that's true.

I didn't say they cost $300, reading comprehension... I said they offer what people want in more expensive speakers for a cheaper price - hence selling well. Also I would request that you stop doing this thing where you purposely twist my words around out of context against me, it's really irritating...

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

Yes that's true.
I didn't say they cost $300, reading comprehension... I said they offer what people want in more expensive speakers for a cheaper price - hence selling well.

reading comprehension>you i didnt say they cost 300 i said that if they sell so good then why is the 300 OF THEM on ebay for 90 bucks LMAO

you sure you have business sense?

 

[livinlegend 10+ year member]

reading comprehension>you i didnt say they cost 300 i said that if they sell so good then why is the 300 on ebay for 90 bucks

is english your first language? i'm not trying to mock you but your grammar is extremely improper and i have no clue wtf you're talking about. if it is you really ought to take a com class in college

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

you are an utter tool

 

[livinlegend 10+ year member]

you are an utter tool

Because you don't know how to properly articulate your thoughts in english? Don't join the debate team bud //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif.

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

Because you don't know how to properly articulate your thoughts in english? Don't join the debate team bud //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif.

what debate team? you are the jackass that cant fooking read and cant post 1 ****ing thing credible to your argument lol

 

[livinlegend 10+ year member]

what debate team? you are the jackass that cant fooking read and cant post 1 ****ing thing credible to your argument lol

Look at what I quoted above before you edited your post. Not only do you deal exclusively in logical fallacies but you are also a liar. You also don't know how to stay respectful in a debate and I'm pretty much wary of anything you try to "argue" now.

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

lol i am a liar? show me where i lied.. better yet why don't you answer one part of the original argument? if you can muster up that before i can grow a ZZ Top beard i might be impressed lmao

 

[newusername 10+ year member]

The IDmax has better SQ but less output, so it's a tradeoff. Also for the price of a w7 you could get 2 IDMaxs and totally blow it out of the water. The MTX is better on paper only, because as with the 2 subs we're describing here measurements aren't everything.

No, the MTX is not better on paper. Thiele/Small parameters don't equate to large signal performance...in fact, they only describe how the driver can be modelled with a high-pass filter (ie. enclosure). If you saw the measurements I am talking about, you would agree by a long shot that the W7 is a better subwoofer than the 9500 "on paper".

Value has a lot to do with how good a speaker is - that's why you see the PG RSD 6.5's being purchased so much now. Competitively priced and they offer what people on here want in $300 speakers. Unless you're a millionare I don't believe you're so careless with your money that you'll pay 50% more for the same thing (and less sound quality).

That has nothing to do with how good something is...it has everything to do with how much value it holds.

I personally think the w7 sounds like shit compared to the IDMax - it's a matter of opinion and if you judge speakers by SPL sure the w7 has a slight edge cause you can "throw more at it." Big deal, that's not how I judge. And for that price it should be better than just "you can throw more at it"

I couldn't care less how much SPL a subwoofer is capable of making....125 dB is enough for me within the bandwidth a subwoofer typically covers on music. But to say the W7 sounds like shit compared to anything....well, that's just uninformed.

Also again how convenient it's a 3 ohm overpriced driver and their similarly overpriced amp is marketed as the best way to power the overpriced driver. Although I'm sure the plethora of 2 ohm stable amps can handle the 3 ohm driver but do you really think dealers are telling that to customers? No. The whole company is a marketing ploy itself but I applaud them //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/clap.gif.178cba2c538c68e720c727fcb024b19c.gif they can rip off the average person. Again how is this marketing ploy any different than white van speakers? People who don't know any better are being sold a product at a greatly inflated price where quality does not match up with value and there are marketing ploys [(3 ohms - best subs in the world, etc)] being employed as a legitimate selling pitch. That is what I have been arguing all along.

Why do people fall for the 3 ohm thing? You know that is the nominal resistance, right? The DC Re is 2.75 ohm...slightly lower than most S4 or D2 (in series) coils. Does your amp care what the "nominal" resistance/impedance is? No.

JL Audio makes some of the absolute best products in the car audio industry and there is REAL engineering behind their designs. Their prices are higher than some competitors...that's true. But show me how many competitors come under that price with the same distortion levels and custom tooling done.

You people fall into the anti-JL Audio flock the same way the pro-JL Audio group does...you fail at looking at things objectively.