If JL is good but overpriced, at what price point should they be?

[its_bacon12 10+ year member]

oh hey flip im back working at the firm with bloomberg lol ygpm

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

And for someone contemplating a purchase of a five or six-figure speaker, do you really think some anonymous dealer over the internet would be the right decision? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

Depends on my level of discretionary income.

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

Depends on my level of discretionary income.

also depends on how much you know how the market works and not judging it from one aspect lol //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

 

[MorningWood]

So, other than the consumer, who is responsible for the alleged downfall of the local dealer?

Is the manufacturer responsible at all? My view is that many only tell their dealer that they are trying to stop transhipping.

What about the local dealer (the ones who are not actually selling out the back door)? Is he not resposnible for his own competiveness? It seems to me he has to do a better job of providing service to the consumer.

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

increasing the power of the economic consumer isnt economics......part of it but not all. if wal mart were so good for a community why do theyget kicked out or not allowed to move into areas? wal-marts destroy smaller bussinesses and in turn pay less for labor than what most small bussinesses do/did.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

There is no "all of it" to economics....studying the relationship between handedness and cavities is economics, studying the pricing strategies of republished papers (where you buy a paper online) is economics, studying the hiarchies of gangs is economics. Studying the actual economy....is just the tip of the iceberg, not even the tip....like the 1st atom on the tip. There is oh so much more and that is why it is so much fun.

They are not good for the working poor. They do drive down wages, but for the majority of Americans, it is helpful. I know of poor people who could barely afford their medicine are very thankful for their policies concerning perscription drugs. I guess some idiots forget that Wal-Mart at one time was just one store. Just like Best Buy, just like Lowe's. One store. Just one. But who understood the economics (or bought people that did) to become what they are today....and Wal-mart won't be around forever, someone will build a better mousetrap. Just ask Sears.

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

also depends on how much you know how the market works and not judging it from one aspect lol //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

Please clairfy this comment. I want to know what value they provide. If they are willing to sit down and teach me how to hear, that is some good value. If they are going to tell me a bunch of words I don't know or understand when trying to explain their products...then it is a waste of their time and mine.

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

So, other than the consumer, who is responsible for the alleged downfall of the local dealer?
Is the manufacturer responsible at all? My view is that many only tell their dealer that they are trying to stop transhipping.

What about the local dealer (the ones who are not actually selling out the back door)? Is he not resposnible for his own competiveness? It seems to me he has to do a better job of providing service to the consumer.

good question, point being when it actually starts hurting the transhipper he will stop transhipping..those that tranship get the volume discount so they still make some money and pad their sales (volume to get the deeper discount)....

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

So, other than the consumer, who is responsible for the alleged downfall of the local dealer?
Is the manufacturer responsible at all? My view is that many only tell their dealer that they are trying to stop transhipping.

What about the local dealer (the ones who are not actually selling out the back door)? Is he not resposnible for his own competiveness? It seems to me he has to do a better job of providing service to the consumer.

The creator of the internet //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

I know I was not interested in car audio until I looked at nice installs on the internet and neither was my friends...so thanks to the internet...the car audio market is about $5k richer.

 

[newusername 10+ year member]

lol you are funny back up 1 idiotic thing you have said then i will start. anyone with any economic background should be able to piece it together...some of you get it some dont but the only ones raising a fuss are the ones who dont grasp anything other than the fact that they save money...
you think wal-mart and best buy really do any economic good for a community? they destroy it.

if you know nothing other than the fact that you save money in economics and how businesses operate then i would have to type a book. you wont buy into it. kind of like half the *** clowns that tried to disprove ohm's law my first year in college. idiots who know nothing yet think they know it all usually fail. it was almost like they thought scientific laws were just made up and not tested by anyone smarter than them ......

Be careful about using words like those I've added emphasis to when you make a statement like this:

you think wal-mart and best buy really do any economic good for a community? they destroy it.

That has strong empirical evidence showing it to be a fallacy.

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

Please clairfy this comment. I want to know what value they provide. If they are willing to sit down and teach me how to hear, that is some good value. If they are going to tell me a bunch of words I don't know or understand when trying to explain their products...then it is a waste of their time and mine.

to look at economics you cant look at it from one perspective.....you keep looking at it from one perspective- the end customer .....

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

good question, point being when it actually starts hurting the transhipper he will stop transhipping..those that tranship get the volume discount so they still make some money and pad their sales (volume to get the deeper discount)....

But earlier you said they did not contribute significantly to sales...if the transshippers are responsible for the majority of the volume, and the transshippers sell on the internet, wouldn't it stand to reason that quantity sold would not be signifcantly reduced by the lack of other volume?

I don't really know what a transshipper is...I assumed it was a "dealer" that buys mass quantities, stores it in a warehouse, and sells on the 'net...while still having the front at his local shop. Again, I am not an industry insider.

 

[MorningWood]

good question, point being when it actually starts hurting the transhipper he will stop transhipping..those that tranship get the volume discount so they still make some money and pad their sales (volume to get the deeper discount)....

So those dealers that play by the rules get screwed while struggling to hold onto their product line. That really seems like the manufacturer should be doing more to protect their bread and butter. What, I don't know but it just seems like that if they put their minds to it they could secure their product line better. That is what leads me to believe that manufacturers look the other way.

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

So those dealers that play by the rules get screwed while the others struggle to hold onto their product line. That really seems like the manufacturer should be doing more to protect their bread and butter. What, I don't know but it just seems like that if they put their minds to it they could secure their product line better. That is what leads me to believe that manufacturers look the other way.

It leads me to think that B&M sales may not be the bread and butter.

 

[Megalomaniac 5,000+ posts]

The creator of the internet //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gifI know I was not interested in car audio until I looked at nice installs on the internet and neither was my friends...so thanks to the internet...the car audio market is about $5k richer.

al gore

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

That has strong empirical evidence showing it to be a fallacy.

really? how many small businesses go under once a wal-mart goes in? does the average wal-mart worker makes more than the small business worker that is now no longer in business?..what about the local tax breaks that wal-mart gets to move into areas? who pays for that? there are cases of wal-marts that move into towns then move out just as soon as their tax breaks end. infact there are cases where cities and townships fight pretty hard to keep wal-marts out