If JL is good but overpriced, at what price point should they be?

[livinlegend 10+ year member]

hmm were you not the guy 2-3 weeks ago saying you take business classes? the more you ask questions the more i see you dont have a clue to what goes on....now we are going into backwards production...lol

This guy. has. no. clue. what the **** he is talking about.

Not only are you not versed in economics, the garbage you are spewing has no merit and no basis in fact. The effect of ecommerce on the market has been nothing but positive, and car audio shops actually used to hold a stranglehold on the market and push shoddy overpriced products. The internet is the way of the future, get with it mr. "authorized retailer." Oh, and stop crying.

The doomsday scenario you are pushing is just oh so typical for someone that got the shitty end of the stick as the internet fuels increases in the purchasing power and disposable income of the middle class.

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

This guy. has. no. clue. what the **** he is talking about.
Not only are you not versed in economics, the garbage you are spewing has no merit and no basis in fact. The effect of ecommerce on the market has been nothing but positive, and car audio shops actually used to hold a stranglehold on the market and push shoddy overpriced products. The internet is the way of the future, get with it mr. "authorized retailer." Oh, and stop crying.

The doomsday scenario you are pushing is just oh so typical for someone that got the shitty end of the stick as the internet fuels increases in the purchasing power and disposable income of the middle class.

not once have i lied not once have you done anything but deliver a biased opinion...we already know you cant run a business:laugh:

 

[livinlegend 10+ year member]

not once have i lied not once have you done anything but deliver a biased opinion...we already know you cant run a business:laugh:

You talking about a free market environment (the internet) and trying to justify the monopolizing of car audio and telling me I don't know what I'm talking about. The market determines the price no matter what "jl audio" or whoever else wants to charge. If they were worth $800 they would sell for $800 on ebay, end of story. The market dictates the price. Don't like it? Go sit in a corner dunce. You are either extremely greedy, stupid, or both. I don't think you even know what a logical fallacy is because you use at least one in every single post. You don't understand what you're talking about and really need to stop. Why do you keep saying "we"? Who here is siding with you? Not a **** person. Do you usually speak of yourself in plurals? Or when you talk is it just to the masses at large to try to show off your "secret insider knowledge" of the car audio market? You know nothing and there is no doomsday scenario at hand, get with the program or go live in the sticks dumbass.

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

You talking about a free market environment (the internet) and trying to justify the monopolizing of car audio and telling me I don't know what I'm talking about. The market determines the price no matter what "jl audio" or whoever else wants to charge. If they were worth $800 they would sell for $800 on ebay, end of story. The market dictates the price. Don't like it? Go sit in a corner dunce. You are either extremely greedy, stupid, or both. I don't think you even know what a logical fallacy is because you use at least one in every single post. You don't understand what you're talking about and really need to stop.

by far the greater majority buy retail.....internet sales do enough to effect the bottom line of the people who actually are the ones buying from companies like JL,Kicker, Pioneer.....

 

[livinlegend 10+ year member]

by far the greater majority buy retail.....internet sales do enough to effect the bottom line of the people who actually are the ones buying from companies like JL,Kicker, Pioneer.....

That is purely opinion and I would like to see some facts here. Since you seem to be basing this on some unheardof statistics you have seen can you please post them for all of us to read? Last I checked the internet has gobbled up a substantial amount of certain markets and a lot of B&M retailers are hurting and thus (finally) offering substantial discounts to (finally) compete. Case in point, I did my research this season and B&M retailers were so desperate to nab consumers for Christmas they offered unheardof savings and discounts. It was prostrated all over the news season long and I believe the internet had the weakest turn out in several years because of it.

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

lol you are funny back up 1 idiotic thing you have said then i will start. anyone with any economic background should be able to piece it together...some of you get it some dont but the only ones raising a fuss are the ones who dont grasp anything other than the fact that they save money...

you think wal-mart and best buy really do any economic good for a community? they destroy it.

if you know nothing other than the fact that you save money in economics and how businesses operate then i would have to type a book. you wont buy into it. kind of like half the *** clowns that tried to disprove ohm's law my first year in college. idiots who know nothing yet think they know it all usually fail. it was almost like they thought scientific laws were just made up and not tested by anyone smarter than them ......

 

[stuckinok 5,000+ posts]

good debate... iam actually learning alot lol

 

[JimJ 5,000+ posts]

This guy. has. no. clue. what the **** he is talking about.
Not only are you not versed in economics, the garbage you are spewing has no merit and no basis in fact. The effect of ecommerce on the market has been nothing but positive, and car audio shops actually used to hold a stranglehold on the market and push shoddy overpriced products. The internet is the way of the future, get with it mr. "authorized retailer." Oh, and stop crying.

The doomsday scenario you are pushing is just oh so typical for someone that got the shitty end of the stick as the internet fuels increases in the purchasing power and disposable income of the middle class.

Internet-based sales will never completely replace B&M sales, nor should they.

I haven't been in a car audio shop in years, but I can tell you that in "real" home audio (i.e., the clientele that doesn't shop at Best Buy)...the Internet is a pale substitute for actually going to a dealer that knows what they're talking about.

Sure, I love Audiogon and through the help of the 'net I've been able to piece together something I could have never done for the price otherwise...but does that mean I want to see actual stores disappear? Not on your life. The next time I'm in the DC area I'm meaning to make a stop at a Wilson Audio place I found online, where else outside of CES or randomly finding someone that owns them locally am I going to hear something like this?

And for someone contemplating a purchase of a five or six-figure speaker, do you really think some anonymous dealer over the internet would be the right decision? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[MorningWood]

Internet-based sales will never completely replace B&M sales, nor should they.
I haven't been in a car audio shop in years, but I can tell you that in "real" home audio (i.e., the clientele that doesn't shop at Best Buy)...the Internet is a pale substitute for actually going to a dealer that knows what they're talking about.

I agree. The problem that I have is that the overwhelming majority of local dealers that I have visited really do not seem to know what they are talking about and they do not really add value. I wish they did, but they don't.

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

hmm were you not the guy 2-3 weeks ago saying you take business classes? the more you ask questions the more i see you dont have a clue to what goes on....now we are going into backwards production...lol

I hope this is a great example of a person with only book knowledge. All I know is what they teach me in class.

I still would like you to cite real life examples of production functions if I am so wrong. If you quote real-life econometric production functions, I'll shut up. Until then, your conjecture is no better than mine.

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

I hope this is a great example of a person with only book knowledge. All I know is what they teach me in class.
I still would like you to cite real life examples of production functions if I am so wrong. If you quote real-life econometric production functions, I'll shut up. Until then, your conjecture is no better than mine.

proof would be in the actual number of products produced.

never have i seen a build shop, or a factory ever charge less across the board for less product to be made....//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

if they are already producing a high volume it would only make sense they already had the machinery to do so

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

lol you are funny back up 1 idiotic thing you have said then i will start. anyone with any economic background should be able to piece it together...some of you get it some dont but the only ones raising a fuss are the ones who dont grasp anything other than the fact that they save money...
you think wal-mart and best buy really do any economic good for a community? they destroy it.

if you know nothing other than the fact that you save money in economics and how businesses operate then i would have to type a book. you wont buy into it. kind of like half the *** clowns that tried to disprove ohm's law my first year in college. idiots who know nothing yet think they know it all usually fail. it was almost like they thought scientific laws were just made up and not tested by anyone smarter than them ......

That is false. There is plenty of data that supports the position that Wal-Mart increases the purchasing power of the everyday consumer. It is not Wal-Mart's position to prop up communities or mom-and-pop stores. In towns where Wal-Mart is the only place to shop, do their prises rise considerably, no! We are not talking about Standard Oil. If you want to comment about economics, please cite peer reviewed journal articles and I'll take a gander. I do not listen to John Billy Bob's website on how Wal-Mart destroys America. It's offering of discount generic prescription drugs put oh so many in the poorhouse.

I do not think I know it all. I do know what I have read, studied, and have the math skills to prove (things which have already been proven, I admit I do not know anything new).

So, I think I will cite some journal articles to help the cause:

http://www.lexisnexis.com.ezproxy.mtsu.edu/us/lnacademic/results/docview/docview.do?risb=21_T2762204525&format=GNBFI&sort=RELEVANCE&startDocNo=1&resultsUrlKey=29_T2762204528&cisb=22_T2762204527&treeMax=true&treeWidth=0&csi=8357&docNo=5

I can find more if you would like

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

proof would be in the actual number of products produced.never have i seen a build shop, or a factory ever charge less across the board for less product to be made....//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

if they are already producing a high volume it would only make sense they already had the machinery to do so

I have.

For a while Best Buy sold CDs below cost as a loss leader.

I had no idea how many units are currently in production.

I am not trying to start a pissing match of any kind. What I am trying to do is incorporate something "real-life" into the generally accepted economic theory. Because I do not have enough details, I make assumptions...some of them are perhaps wrong. I did not know it was implied that companies could make 5MM units. I thought they may have to make capital investments. I have no idea really...but with more numbers, I can better understand.

 

[its_bacon12 10+ year member]

hmm were you not the guy 2-3 weeks ago saying you take business classes? the more you ask questions the more i see you dont have a clue to what goes on....now we are going into backwards production...lol

flip is a knowledgeable person in economics/business..

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

That is false. There is plenty of data that supports the position that Wal-Mart increases the purchasing power of the everyday consumer. It is not Wal-Mart's position to prop up communities or mom-and-pop stores. In towns where Wal-Mart is the only place to shop, do their prises rise considerably, no! We are not talking about Standard Oil. If you want to comment about economics, please cite peer reviewed journal articles and I'll take a gander. I do not listen to John Billy Bob's website on how Wal-Mart destroys America. It's offering of discount generic prescription drugs put oh so many in the poorhouse.
I do not think I know it all. I do know what I have read, studied, and have the math skills to prove (things which have already been proven, I admit I do not know anything new).

So, I think I will cite some journal articles to help the cause:

http://www.lexisnexis.com.ezproxy.mtsu.edu/us/lnacademic/results/docview/docview.do?risb=21_T2762204525&format=GNBFI&sort=RELEVANCE&startDocNo=1&resultsUrlKey=29_T2762204528&cisb=22_T2762204527&treeMax=true&treeWidth=0&csi=8357&docNo=5

I can find more if you would like

increasing the power of the economic consumer isnt economics......part of it but not all. if wal mart were so good for a community why do theyget kicked out or not allowed to move into areas? wal-marts destroy smaller bussinesses and in turn pay less for labor than what most small bussinesses do/did.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif