If JL is good but overpriced, at what price point should they be?

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

And all of the manufacturer looks the other way.

if you call not offering a warranty looking the other way.....

 

[MorningWood]

if you call not offering a warranty looking the other way.....

Actually, yes I do.

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

maybe they should trace serial numbers? lol like those don't get removed.

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

this is not like a large percentage of their product gets sold unauthorized. tracking down even 2% of the product would be a pretty hefty task unless you think they only sell 100 units a year lol

 

[MorningWood]

maybe they should trace serial numbers? lol like those don't get removed.

Okay, you can believe what you like but I don't see how you can exclude the possibility that this is all done with the manufcturer's knowledge or at the least willful ignorance.

 

[MorningWood]

lol

 

[livinlegend 10+ year member]

I'm so happy I have him on my ignore list.

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

Okay, you can believe what you like but I don't see how you can exclude the possibility that this is all done with the manufcturer's knowledge or at the least willful ignorance.

how far do people go to tranship? hmmm somewhere down the line if you wanted to be kgb about it i suppose the manufacturer could. only thing is pissing off a large buyer and being wrong would probably mean them losing a large buyer..

way i look at it is if someone buys it unauthorized they should just shut up if their shit breaks...if you gamble you are bound to lose sometime:laugh:

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

I'm so happy I have him on my ignore list.

i am so happy that people can see you couldnt run a business:laugh:

 

[MorningWood]

how far do people go to tranship? hmmm somewhere down the line if you wanted to be kgb about it i suppose the manufacturer could. only thing is pissing off a large buyer and being wrong would probably mean them losing a large buyer..way i look at it is if someone buys it unauthorized they should just shut up if their shit breaks...if you gamble you are bound to lose sometime:laugh:

Maybe, maybe not. But when the warranty costs me 40-60% of the cost of the product I will risk it.

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

Maybe, maybe not. But when the warranty costs me 40-60% of the cost of the product I will risk it.

there is more to it than just warranty. does your local dealer ship to your house or do you go to the shop? what would the dealer do if the W7 he pulled out of the warehouse had a cracked frame? he would probably just go back and get you one that wasn't broken...buying it your way can cause a huge headache for yourself. shipping costs, waiting to see if your unauthorized dealer can or will replace it then what about technical support?

 

[Pyro_By_Nature 5,000+ posts]

Yeah I have zero business sense because you said it. Great job //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/clap.gif.178cba2c538c68e720c727fcb024b19c.gif. Now tell me why. Looks like all you can is put together a poorly worded flame and ask for proof. You are comparing one of the most highly regarded SQ subs to a sub a lot of people say is poorer than its earlier counterpart (w6) and costs supposedly $1000. It's no contest why the IDMax is better. It sounds better, it costs 50% of the other sub's supposed "value" and it may take less power but its more sensitive and will go head to head and perform identical/better to the "$1000" speaker. You'd have to be dumbass to buy that driver under the circumstances.
Also, for shits and giggles: http://www.mtx.com/caraudio/headtohead/w7.cfm

Think what you want of me but you can't even justify the shit you say. Yeah I'm smarter than most shops - who are you?

What would you like for me to do for you?Rollover, bark and beg for a treat? I called you out, and yet again.....you failed to provide useful info.

It seems as if you missed the entire point of my post, and just regurgitated more useless, subjective opinions.Yet again, not facts.As for the MTX link, it's entertainment at best.

BTW: Most of the people who have said the W6 sounds better, simply don't like the "hollow" sound the W7 has.Which is understandable. Does that mean it's an inferior driver? No. Some people just don't like a really really clean sub. A lot of people don't like XBL^2 drivers because the way they sound. Also, to break it down for you, since you have a problem seperating fact from opinion, I put what's considered an opinion in italics.

So, where are these results that show the IDMAX without a doubt surpasses the W7 performance wise.

 

[MorningWood]

there is more to it than just warranty. does your local dealer ship to your house or do you go to the shop? what would the dealer do if the W7 he pulled out of the wanrehouse had a cracked frame? he would probably just go back and get you one that wasn't broken...buying it your way can cause a huge headache for yourself. shipping costs, waiting to see if your unauthorized dealer can or will replace it then what about technical support?

I don't see the big advantage of me going to the shop. I am usually working during their normal business hours and when I get there the soundboards do not work (or if they do it is such a poor representation of what the product will sound like in my car that it is meaningless). The sales staff is typically so poorly trained that the customer has to bite his tounge so as not to humiliate the poor guy. The products sold are mostly "entry level." The installation is pure crap. Shipping costs are offset by taxes.

I know there are good shops out there, but they are not typical in smaller markets. That has been my experience at least.

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

I don't see the big advantage of me going to the shop. I am usually working during their normal business hours and when I get there the soundboards do not work (or if they do it is such a poor representation of what the product will sound like in my car that it is meaningless). The sales staff is typically so poorly trained that the customer has to bite his tounge so as not to humiliate the poor guy. The products sold are mostly "entry level." The installation is pure crap. Shipping costs are offset by taxes.
I know there are good shops out there, but they are not typical in smaller markets. That has been my experience at least.

then dont worry about the warranty...

 

[MorningWood]

then dont worry about the warranty...

That's where I am at.