horn design

[joeldirt 10+ year member]

was b/sing with James Bang, and reminded me I had this design froma long time ago.. This was posted in this forum about a year ago and I busted it back outfor some people who may not have seen it and wanted to try building a cool Dual Bandpass Horn design by decaware... I am going to build one my self for the hell of it. Next question is what subs to load with... I was thinking two SE12's.

http://www.decware.com/Whornok.htm

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[James Bang 5,000+ posts]

//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif you and your striebig

watch me build this w/ my misaligned 10" table saw. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/highhorse.gif.6bbb570c3f53dc0dcce8a2b8ad05cf11.gif

oh. I'll say throw whatever you have laying around in it.

I might make me a 10" version when im not busy, sometime this //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crazy.gif.c13912c32de98515d3142759a824dae7.gif year

 

[joeldirt 10+ year member]

they don't get loud in a car... just so you know....
the mouth area is way to small for it to have any gain at all (when in a vehicle) over a ported box...

they may work alright in a house, but a driver optimised horn would be alot better idea.

that is good to know... Then I can make one for my house covered with a curly maple vaneer, or maybe curly eucaliptus (however you spell it.)

 

[joeldirt 10+ year member]

actually, my friend did make a wicked one... for his bedroom, said it sounded like shit, and wasn't loud, so he pulled it apart, and used the MDF for a ported box...

I doubt anything from decaware is crap... Maybe somthing went wrong in the construction.. or maybe the subs used were just totaly not right for that type of enclosure.. Mabye their response capabilities were not compatible with the enclosure tuning.

 

[joeldirt 10+ year member]

//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif you and your striebig
watch me build this w/ my misaligned 10" table saw. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/highhorse.gif.6bbb570c3f53dc0dcce8a2b8ad05cf11.gif

oh. I'll say throw whatever you have laying around in it.

I might make me a 10" version when im not busy, sometime this //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crazy.gif.c13912c32de98515d3142759a824dae7.gif year

hey..... the striebig rocks! My own shop will have one one day. 25,000 dollars isnt too much to invest in a business. That and a CNC router I would be set up!

 

[joeldirt 10+ year member]

MAYBE the enclosure is no better than a prefab box, and you'd be better with a horn designed for the specific driver!!!

don't get me wrong I agree that the box may not be suitable for Car audio... I agree that the subs should match the enclosure.. thats why parameters are there for us. otherwise we would be shooting in the dark all of the time designing enclosures for subs... I was just saying that he may have used some subs that didnt go well with the enclosure... or maybe he made a mistake when constructing it? Who knows.

I could make a simple one for my single four ohm kicker 8's and run them to 8 homs at 100watts rms from my kenwood reciever just for a fun experiment. I am curious as to what it will do in comparison to the stock shitty *** enclosure that came with the cheap kenwood system

 

[joeldirt 10+ year member]

and... are your woofers going to suit the enclosure? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

honestly I don't have any epxerience with this type of enclosure... That is why I am curious as to how it will perform.. It obviously looks cool and could have some good possibilities to enclose in a Plexi coverd top, but I am not sure what subs would be best suited to be mounted in it... I would think some with a response that will go from 20- 700 hz. would suit fine... This is all for fun with me just experimenting... have you done much HT stuff?

 

[James Bang 5,000+ posts]

and... are your woofers going to suit the enclosure? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

he's not trying to argue w/ you. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/eyebrow.gif.fe2c18d8720fe8c7eaed347b21ea05a5.gif

There are good reviews and bad reviews for this design. maybe/hopefully his will be... good. anyways, it'll be a fun build.

 

[PowerNaudio 10+ year member]

why not go with a TL design sutable to what ever sub youre looking to use. i just build a 8th wave TL for a 6.5 midbass and it sound like a 10" sub.

im a get an EU-700 in it, itll most likely double its output. the enclosure it self is only 24" high and 7" all around. the port is like 48" tuned to like 33hz. my friends where very impresed.

simpler to build too

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/402743/15

 

[req 5,000+ posts]

they don't get loud in a car... just so you know....
the mouth area is way to small for it to have any gain at all (when in a vehicle) over a ported box...

they may work alright in a house, but a driver optimised horn would be alot better idea.

you are a F*cking idot.

will you just get off this forum already?

the wicked one is a really great horn design, folded horns are made to get loud and sound good, think of it like a trumpet wich amplifies the air flowing through that you are blowing and depending on the volume of the tube it goes thru (that you change iwth the valves on the trumpet) will change the sound.

so basically the enclosure is kind of like a box that further amplifies the soundwaves and stuff.

if you can design one for the right kind of speaker, you should have a great sounding enclosure. but they are tricky to make and take a lot of testing.

 

[req 5,000+ posts]

ok mr bass man.

because you know what kind of drivers to use in them. thats why they have adujstable specs.

if you read the **** tutorial, you are supposed to build the box so the size of the sealed chamber is the right size for the driver. it says to model it after a 4th order bandpass, and build the correctly sized sealed chamber.

apparently you did all this and know the ins and outs of designing a folded horn or a transmission line enclosure.

yes, its a BEGINNERS HORN. its meant to get people in the DIY community to start building these kinds of enclosures and understand the benifits of a folded horn over a plain ported box. it is NOT the end-all-be-all of horns, nor does it work with ever driver, nor is it the greatest horn out there.

but it has been prooven many times to work and sound good with the correct drivers and the correct enclosure sizes.

im not claiming to know a lot about the design of horns, but i do know they are efficent as hell if done right, and i will tell you that the wicked one is a beginner horn.

so dont knock an enclosure desing because YOU had a bad expierence with it. because if somone built a ported box with the wrong specs and a crappy driver, they would have a bad expierence, and that does NOT mean ALL proted boxes are crappy //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

 

[Pyro_By_Nature 5,000+ posts]

Death by bass, you are a ****ING IDIOT.So many of your posts are just pure ignorance, and stupidity.All you do is talk out of your ***.

I KNOW for a ****ING FACT, that Steve knows at LEAST 10x more about horns than you.

Until YOU and YOU ONLY (not a "friend") build a WO, then you can come back and ATTEMPT to trash a perfectly good box.No, it's not the greatest box ever and there are boxes that will get louder.

Buuuuut, in quite a few cases it'll be louder than a ported box.I currently have 2 8" rf punch Z's in a WO in this "office" room, corner loaded, and it sounds pretty good and gets loud enough for now.In car, it was simply louder.To say they're not loud in car is pure stupidity.The 2 8's with 150 watts BETWEEN THE PAIR, was *almost* as loud as 2 15" Memphis PR's with 300 watts between the two in a "team toxic bass" designed box (kinda shitty imo).Only 40hz up though.Anyone who heard it, couldn't believe it was only 2 8's.

If BUILT PROPERLY, they are pretty efficent.I can't tell you how many boxes I've tested those 8's in.The only box that was louder, was a one note box for them.Currently it's the loudest for THOSE SUBS.Is it end all be all?Hell no.But it is a great box and doesn't deserve to be trashed by the stupidity of you.

 

[Pyro_By_Nature 5,000+ posts]

You do realize, over 60% of your posts are just "claims" with no proof to back them up.

 

[Pyro_By_Nature 5,000+ posts]

At least I have credibility //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif And a vehicle that'll actually go faster than 40mph //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

 

[Pyro_By_Nature 5,000+ posts]

Now now you ****, that's no way to get picturz //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

"and got 1st with a 137.3 @ 52hz in my modified WO"

He didn't post the mod., for all we know his mod. could have been shitty and actually HURT the score.