Heres a religion thread that will piss a lot of you hippies off

I feel sorry for anyone who follows the bible word for word.

I'm not saying the whole bible is worthless though, Im just saying there is just way too many bullshit stories that were changed and fixed to seem more divine while they were passed down generation to generation until they were finally written down.

 
well i wasn't making that assumption at all, just stating that 'scientifically' god can neither be proven or disproven //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif. so maybe you misunderstood my 'assumption'.

but theres a bigger picture to this. anyone ever heard of faith? it seems like our generation has to "prove" everything. do you honestly think everything in the bible was a mistake? its all make believe? i believe once you have felt the holy spirit, all these little arguments go out the window. i know what i've felt, and no scientific equation can prove that wrong. plus i'd rather live a life believing something wholeheartedly than to just 'go with the flow.' there was a quote i read couple months ago from a fortune cookie that stuck with me: "to believe is to be strong, to disbelieve is to be weak."

just my .02
That was indigestion from the chinese food you ate right before reading that stupid fortune cookie. That whole saying can be reversed you know. See since I believe there is no god and you do that makes you the weak one!//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 
That was indigestion from the chinese food you ate right before reading that stupid fortune cookie. That whole saying can be reversed you know. See since I believe there is no god and you do that makes you the weak one!//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif
i didn't intend for it to go the other way around. if thats what you believe wholeheartedly, then kudos for you!

 
i don't really care about peoples religious preference, but i do wonder why they're always trying to convert people who speak out against it. has god turned you into religious sales people? if more people worried about themselves before everyone else, i could live in sin in peace, and consequently, if your h3ll is real, i'll be in h3ll and you'll be "up there". effectively getting rid of me. +1 for you.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 
well i wasn't making that assumption at all, just stating that 'scientifically' god can neither be proven or disproven //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif. so maybe you misunderstood my 'assumption'.

but theres a bigger picture to this. anyone ever heard of faith? it seems like our generation has to "prove" everything. do you honestly think everything in the bible was a mistake? its all make believe? i believe once you have felt the holy spirit, all these little arguments go out the window. i know what i've felt, and no scientific equation can prove that wrong. plus i'd rather live a life believing something wholeheartedly than to just 'go with the flow.' there was a quote i read couple months ago from a fortune cookie that stuck with me: "to believe is to be strong, to disbelieve is to be weak."

just my .02
your right on that quote....and i believe there is no god, that things happen for a reason.

the bigger picture isnt FAITH, its FATE.

everything in the bible is not false. it has the basic "rules" to living a good life....the 10 commandments for the most part are common sense things to live by.

 
your right on that quote....and i believe there is no god, that things happen for a reason.
the bigger picture isnt FAITH, its FATE.

everything in the bible is not false. it has the basic "rules" to living a good life....the 10 commandments for the most part are common sense things to live by.
have you ever even read the bible? if you've attempted to read paul letters in the new testament you'd understand that its more of a guideline on how to live. i think people get caught up in the old testament, and all the miracles which could supposedly 'never' happen.

 
well i wasn't making that assumption at all, just stating that 'scientifically' god can neither be proven or disproven //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif. so maybe you misunderstood my 'assumption
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Then I guess there was absolutely no point in you quoting my post, as your remarks were not related in the slightest.......

 
You guys just need to sit down and read the davinci code and angels and demons, and then you will understand everything.
your an idiot.

//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif DaVinci's Code is a fiction novel //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif

 
I'm not going to try to pick a side. There is no winning here. I can say that me personally, I believe in a higher power. Not that I attend church, but I know that someone is around watching over us.

As far as the so many universe, who created god, etc. Did anyone ever think that something like that is intentionally not in our realm of understanding by god's decision? I mean if we could answer everything, then what would there be to do? We would be a bunch of know-it-alls standing at a shop in the desert smiling with nothing to say because we would know it all already.

God has most likely always existed. Of course a good reply to that would be "well what happened at the beginning of time?" I guess the answer to that is didn't we just make up time? I mean really all time would be to something that never dies is something changing. What if the creation and then destruction of earth is one second of gods time. Just an experiement. Who knows.

Weird thread though. I think the creator of the thread got his wish and got everyone stirred up. I've always noticed that about atheist, they always want to push it up to people that they don't believe to stand out. I think it has somethingo do with not being loved by parents or being touched. I know that may sound like a bash, but the few that I know have either been molested or had horrible childhoods.

Its hard to love something you can't see when all you have seen is hate. I feel for them really.

 
^^^ lol at loast post...

Anyways, I'm about to get long winded, but I hope it is a good read. I like these posts because it allows me to try to shed light onw hat I believe a TRUE 'Christian' should be like.

Either way it is SOLELY my opinion and the ways I believe and live my life. These ways have only benefitted my life in EVERY aspect I can think of.

Heaven and Hell What is heaven and hell? Is heaven really pearly gates and rubies and diamonds and gold streets? Is hell a lake of fire? These 2 examples could very well easily be acceptable. We can all imagine these 2 images easily. Maybe this was an interpretation(sp?) by the one writing the passages. I personally believe it could be these 2, but I also believe that it could be simpler than that. Thorough, complete ignorance of malice, hate, evil, or what could be (absence of curiousity I suppose) could = Heaven. Hell could be the thorough, complete knowledge of EVERYTHING like God, but the lack of power to do anything about it. (One could argue that the knowledge to do something about it is part of knowledge, and it is very valid. A point only God himself could explain)

Organized Religion Organized religion...ahhh, how I love and hate that word. I love it because when I am hanging out with my buddies while they are smoking, drinking or just chilling and having a debate and they say this word, it allows me to shed light on my feelings of religion, without directly 'pushing' it on one single person. I hate it because I agree that organized religion NOW is bad. The point of Church is to congregate with fellow people of your religion to share support, and share your common interest, religion. All of this in a safe place away from people who only wish to cause you malice for your beliefs. It is true today as it was back then. I believe in smaller groups, not these huge Televised churches etc. One person leading thousands of people is as smart as it is bad. If he begins to twist words, group think rarely allows for a reality check, and then twisted churches, beliefs, and practices begin, and ruin the image of the real baseline religion. (Read: Catholic Church) It never says you are required to go to a church to believe your faith. In fact, that would be bad for earlier on, when Christians were constantly persecuted for their beliefs.

Pushing Religion I thoroughly hate seeing people use this as a reason they hate religion. And it isn't their fault. It is the 'pushers' fault. This practice has been used time and time again by various religions and it is ashame to see that people and churches in my religion advocate these types of things, in the past and present (read: Crusades, Pilgrimage, Fire and Brimstone preaching, etc..) For those wondering why we 'push' our religion; It says specifically in the Bible to be 'The salt and the Light to the world' Basically, to be an example. Pushing people into believeing something they are not ready to accept is NOT being a good example. This tends to give off a pushiness, and I hate seeing that compared to religion. I tend to be stubborn is people tell me something I can't do, should do, etc... and I am not ready to believe them. It is natural to resist these kinds of things. These 'pushers' of religion are not following their own religion correctly by trying to force themselves and their religions on someone. I use friendly debates as my 'soapbox' and I never once become agitated, and I let it known I am not pushing anyone to believe anything. It works much better, and several friends have respect for my beliefs and what they stand for, regardless of their opinion.

Catholic Church First off, before I start in on these guys, I would like to let it known that I do not believe that all of these branches of religion should exist, but I see how they formed. Some people like change, most people don't. Anyhow, Catholic church has been a large negative for the religion as a whole. From countless scams, to child molestation, to just blatant ridiculous situations and rules they have, I cannot condone them at all. I'll sub group this

1. Child molestation Basically was a practice gotten from the Roman empire armies during wars. They would use young boys who had not developed masculine traits as their *** toys basically. This was because of long times without their wives or women in general, and was thoroughly accepted in those times. I could only Fathom that Catholics, being buddy buddy with that empire at that time, adapted this.

Scams Best example is my own Girlfriend. Her parents wanted a set of Godparents for her. The church suggested a set that my GF's parents did not want, and they wanted to chrage 2k for the 'official' paperwork. I know nothing of this practice, but it gets much better. Naturally, my GF's parents refused, and they chose another set that they wanted. The catholic church immediately said no, but backed down and made this offer: 5k to use the ones you want. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/uhoh.gif.c07307dd22ee7e63e22fc8e9c614d1fd.gif Wow.

This is just 2 examples of how the Catholic church should not even exist, and how it causes just TONS of media attention and public distatste for religions as a whole. It is soo large it only does damage to the good cause of Religion.

Cost of Religious schools My family is poor. We gre up ina trailor, and just recently got an actual house after my father basically has run himself into the ground. My family paid for me to go to a private school, which was about 75% more than public school. (We lived 1.7 miles from the public school). My parents wanted me to grow up with religion on my mind. I thank them every time I think about it. The reason why it costs so much is that their funding is all from families and privat sectors, NO financial breaks from the Government (or very little nowadays). Therefore, tuition needs to pay for everything, whereas education grants are given to public schools. In twisted school as someon here posted, is just ashame. I'm sorry to hear about it, that was ridiculous.

Malice towards other Religions is blatantly disobeying your religion, or atleast the Christian one. Jesus himself went to lepers, and healed them, after everyone stated their distastes and hatred for them. or how about the woman at the well? Jesus asked that '*****' to draw him some water, even thoug other's believed she was filthy and anything from her would be vile. Or even the children around the time he healed the Roman Seargenats'(not sure rank) son, Jairus (now my little Brother's name) from a blood borne illness (I believe). The disciples told them to stay away from Jesus, and that he needed to be alone, but he had them all come over. Jesus was ALWAYS accepting of everyone, regardless of their past, and present beliefs and practices. Sure, our religion has it's limits as to what you need not do when you are a follower, but it has not limits on your past misdemeanors. (for those about murder, I once argued this with a fellow Christian worker. I argued you could never be forgiven for murder, and we left it at that. But that man was a genius. He basically said this: As long as you NEVER knew that murder was wrong until you committed it, you cannot be counted guilty of your 'sin' it is really hard to explain.) Christianity never asked us to be malice towards other religions, but to accept their followers if they ask to be accepted, or just to be friendly with them. Only time that Jesus showed malice was at the mockery of how Christians were trying to make money on religious property for personal gains. This was not towards any religion, but the individuals marring the religions intent. The point here is that we as christians, are not supposed to shun ANYONE regardless of their past, and are to accept and RESPECT everyone's opinions and beliefs, as if they were a member of your own family. Although it is hard to imagine doing that all the time, it is the basis.

What is right from the Bible nowadays? This is a touchy subject for many, hence so many branches of the religion. It is really down to personal interpretation to an extent, which causes the conflicts. There are certain things you have to really push out of context to make wrong. All in all, I do not follow one 'branch' of a religion, but I take their whole goal as my own message. By not concentrating on what is really a personal interest rather than the religions intent, I can easily make the judgement as to what is right an wrong, and what can be easily adapted without breaking any rules from the Bible. It is really hard to concieve that people have a hard time adapting the Bible to today's life without breaking the Bible's word. There are some touchy subjects that I cannot have confidence to answer correctly, but as a whole it is easy to do.

A few sidenotes:

1. My grammar and spelling may be horrid. I do not use homekeys and as I wrote alot, I had to get it all out at once, rather than nitpick.

2. If you would like something clarified (without malice please) I would be glad to try to help. I enjoy civil intelligent conversations/debates of this type. Actually, i love it //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

3. There are many things I did not touch up on. I cannot type as fast as my mind thinks, so there is a limit to the light I wanted to shed on various subjects, unfortunately.

4. I am in NO WAY a saint, nor do I pretend to follow all of these rules all of the time. I wish i had a stronger will to not care sometimes, but I fail in this are often.

5. Hehehe, 3,100 words approximately. I'm sorry for those who hate reading //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

~Levi

 
I've always noticed that about atheist, they always want to push it up to people that they don't believe to stand out. I think it has somethingo do with not being loved by parents or being touched. I know that may sound like a bash, but the few that I know have either been molested or had horrible childhoods.
Its hard to love something you can't see when all you have seen is hate. I feel for them really.
I take great offense to this post. I was raised without religion and I have great parents than never molested me. I am now athiest. I can't really say that I have much hate in me, I just want the bible (and around here book of moron) pushers to stay the hell away from me and let me be. How would you like it if I came to your house, uninvited, or approached you in a parking lot and told you all of the stuff you believe in is wrong and your going to an imaginary place that I made up?

I feel sorry for you mang, seems to me like you have some issues if you think people that don't believe in god have bad parents or have been molested. That's some fawked up logic right thurr. That's like me saying that everyone that does believe in god is soooo messed up that something must have traumatized them into believing. Maybe they were all ***** by wild donkeys or something.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/uhoh.gif.c07307dd22ee7e63e22fc8e9c614d1fd.gif

 
I take great offense to this post. I was raised without religion and I have great parents than never molested me. I am now athiest. I can't really say that I have much hate in me, I just want the bible (and around here book of moron) pushers to stay the hell away from me and let me be. How would you like it if I came to your house, uninvited, or approached you in a parking lot and told you all of the stuff you believe in is wrong and your going to an imaginary place that I made up?
I feel sorry for you mang, seems to me like you have some issues if you think people that don't believe in god have bad parents or have been molested. That's some fawked up logic right thurr. That's like me saying that everyone that does believe in god is soooo messed up that something must have traumatized them into believing. Maybe they were all ***** by wild donkeys or something.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/uhoh.gif.c07307dd22ee7e63e22fc8e9c614d1fd.gif

Lol....semi-agreed. Although, if you can be offended by that post(which rightfully so, it wasn't very though out, if at all), I'll take my turn and be offended at you insulting the Book. Be upset with the pushers only, because the book doesn't hover over to you and start preaching //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

A troubled background does seem like an easy avenue to blame certain situations on. Really, once you can think for yourself, you can be anyone you want to be. So the background argument is fairly null IMO.

As for the Bible Pushers. There are some things I can say. On first hand, I could say 'Hey, they are just trying to help int heir minds, it is merely a few minutes if even that of your time, and you do no t have to listen if you do not want to'

On another hand, you have the right to think and feel as you wish, and it should be honored. The unfortunate part is that it is their religions goal to do what they do ( I assume you are talking about Jehovahs) and they do not have you one the 'do not visit' list. I hope you are not too mean to them //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/tongue.gif.6130eb82179565f6db8d26d6001dcd24.gif

I believe that this is uncalled for though. If you are in a debate, or it is known you are interested in the topic, or atleast open to its' discussion, it is fair game. But to basically trespass on one's life is uncalled for. If you were in a circle and religion came up, best believe I'd say my bit. Never would I come to you and try to tell you what is wrong or right, when there is no warranted situation.

Take Jesus's Sermons for example. He was followed by many people, including atleats his disciples. He would go to a public place and start preaching (public in this situation is generally viewed as away from crowds, in fields, etc.) and people would come to HIM if they were interested. If they were not, they would go on and do what they pleased. You should not be stuck in the uncomfortable akward position of having ideals you are not ready to or will never believe trying to be pushed on you.

~Levi

 
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