Heres a religion thread that will piss a lot of you hippies off

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

I've always noticed that about atheist, they always want to push it up to people that they don't believe to stand out. I think it has somethingo do with not being loved by parents or being touched. I know that may sound like a bash, but the few that I know have either been molested or had horrible childhoods.
Its hard to love something you can't see when all you have seen is hate. I feel for them really.

To characterize aethists in such a manor is quite ignorant.

 

[mr Tibbs 10+ year member]

Actually I am talking about the mormons. I have lived in Utah my whole life and have never been mormon, hence the mormons see it fit to bother me until I become a mormon. They come to the house and just yesterday I was approached in a parking lot about thier crap religion. After I told the kid twice no nicely it got a little ugly. I'm pretty sure he understood me the third time though, I guess I just had to find the right words.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/naughty.gif.94359f346c0f1259df8038d60b41863e.gif

 

[JAZN 5,000+ posts]

To characterize aethists in such a manor is quite ignorant.

x2. That was one of the stupidest things I've ever heard...

 

[Randy Savage 5,000+ posts]

I fart on this thread.

That is all.

 

[azimuth 5,000+ posts]

praise jesus!!!!! pl8er has made me see the error of my ways. i immediately put down my crack pipe and have stopped watching **** in front of my grandmother. very insightful. do ya think a ***********, crack smoking, toothless atheist could join your church? gosh i hope so. i would to be the one judging others faults, helping god out so to speak. how much of my money would it take to be a part of ypur congregation?

 

[Frankensuby 10+ year member]

Actually I am talking about the mormons. I have lived in Utah my whole life and have never been mormon, hence the mormons see it fit to bother me until I become a mormon. They come to the house and just yesterday I was approached in a parking lot about thier crap religion. After I told the kid twice no nicely it got a little ugly. I'm pretty sure he understood me the third time though, I guess I just had to find the right words.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/naughty.gif.94359f346c0f1259df8038d60b41863e.gif

I was unaware mormons did this, is it only in your area?

Them doing that to you is wrong, regardless. I'm going to assume it is probably known that you are not interested, and now it is blatant. If they continue to do this to you, they are just fools.

A cruel joke (for jollies of course) would be to take a book of wicca(Sp?) and follow the 'twisted' golden rule, 'do unto others, as they have done unto you'//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/up2something.gif.dd110ecf3ae4b76050d87598f2f8de7c.gif

But you didn't hear it from me, kapeesh? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/sneaky.gif.7189749b3a3f769e8815b47e8ae87f88.gif

~Levi

 

[saywhat? 5,000+ posts]

A book is just that....a book. Its a bunch of words put together in an inspiring/motivational/persuasive way to get you to believe views of others. This is why they call them stories. Stories are make believe, like most things in the bible. I need to make a book about you needing to give me money because I came back from the dead, and let people put nails in my hands on a cross and my dad being too self centered to save me. Yes I know the "crucifiction took place before he rose again" but whos to say ANY of it happened? Its all made up, its another media hype that if you don't follow you are an "outcast". I don't see people opening up bookstores for the aethiest, with literature to secure their thoughts on why there should be no religion. I bet you money that all you christian (gullable) people would be on the phone with the city council trying to have it over thrown and closed down as well. IF it even made it through the process that allows the company to be publically opened in face to the general public.

I cant grasp the idea of someone up above far beyong any cloud or solarsystem known to man, invisible to all can run my life every day for every second I breathe. I can't grasp clutching my hands together to talk to someone I will never see, you dont have to do that to talk to deceased family members. Do you? That brings up another question, answer me this....Can you talk to the deceased? No. You can't. You may want to think they can hear you, and that they are looking over you, but they aren't. The only thing they are, is remembered and buried under 6 feet of dirt.

It's far beyond "just going to church". They rofit from your ignorance, and you gullable enough to believe stories that you would laugh at histarically if you heard it with someone elses "name" in it. What if I were to tell you that one of your old friends rose from the dead 3 days after his death....that everyone in town witnessed, only to dig out of the 6 feet worth of dirt he was under? Would you still be on a serious note with your hands flailing, eyes closed, screaming praise your best friends name because you feel something so miraculous has happened that you are in the presence of some higher power? I think not.

 

[mr Tibbs 10+ year member]

I was unaware mormons did this, is it only in your area?
Them doing that to you is wrong, regardless. I'm going to assume it is probably known that you are not interested, and now it is blatant. If they continue to do this to you, they are just fools.

A cruel joke (for jollies of course) would be to take a book of wicca(Sp?) and follow the 'twisted' golden rule, 'do unto others, as they have done unto you'//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/up2something.gif.dd110ecf3ae4b76050d87598f2f8de7c.gif

But you didn't hear it from me, kapeesh? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/sneaky.gif.7189749b3a3f769e8815b47e8ae87f88.gif

~Levi

Hell no it's not just in my area, they travel the world doing this! And yeah, they know I'm not interested, but that is not going to stop them. See in the mormon religion there is no room for any other religion, only thiers is the right one. Hence they must "save" as many people on earth as they can. Either that or breed the evil out of them (why do you think so many mormon missionaries bring back girls after the mission?).

I'm still trying to decide what to do the next time they come over. I have a few ideas, but nothing spectacular so far.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/up2something.gif.dd110ecf3ae4b76050d87598f2f8de7c.gif

 

[saywhat? 5,000+ posts]

yes, we had a guy come up and ask to pray. he got mad when i told him he was believing fictional stories.

 

[Frankensuby 10+ year member]

A book is just that....a book. Its a bunch of words put together in an inspiring/motivational/persuasive way to get you to believe views of others. This is why they call them stories. Stories are make believe, like most things in the bible. I need to make a book about you needing to give me money because I came back from the dead, and let people put nails in my hands on a cross and my dad being too self centered to save me. Yes I know the "crucifiction took place before he rose again" but whos to say ANY of it happened? Its all made up, its another media hype that if you don't follow you are an "outcast". I don't see people opening up bookstores for the aethiest, with literature to secure their thoughts on why there should be no religion. I bet you money that all you christian (gullable) people would be on the phone with the city council trying to have it over thrown and closed down as well. IF it even made it through the process that allows the company to be publically opened in face to the general public.
I cant grasp the idea of someone up above far beyong any cloud or solarsystem known to man, invisible to all can run my life every day for every second I breathe. I can't grasp clutching my hands together to talk to someone I will never see, you dont have to do that to talk to deceased family members. Do you? That brings up another question, answer me this....Can you talk to the deceased? No. You can't. You may want to think they can hear you, and that they are looking over you, but they aren't. The only thing they are, is remembered and buried under 6 feet of dirt.

It's far beyond "just going to church". They rofit from your ignorance, and you gullable enough to believe stories that you would laugh at histarically if you heard it with someone elses "name" in it. What if I were to tell you that one of your old friends rose from the dead 3 days after his death....that everyone in town witnessed, only to dig out of the 6 feet worth of dirt he was under? Would you still be on a serious note with your hands flailing, eyes closed, screaming praise your best friends name because you feel something so miraculous has happened that you are in the presence of some higher power? I think not.

You have much malice towards religion in general, it's more than easy to see. I'm not disrespecting, i honestly want to know what has sparked this hatred for it? Once again, I'm not trying to prod and not being sarcastic, i just want to know why you vehemently dislike religion.

As far as it being a book. Yes, it is a book. As you can see or feel, it is printed paper bound by glue or staples in a certain order made to make sense and be read. The difference between this Book and the other books is that it has sparked a worlwide epidemic. It has moved people, it has healed people of their mental instabilities and brought men to their knees. It has scared empires and made men seek it out. It is not the Book, but it's message that is held within the books that are important. You hand me a Bible, I see a message, not molecules bound togeher by the science it is using to exist. I see the message that, when used properly, has no possible way of harming a man, but only helping this man understand himself, and helping this mans' life out. I see it as a calming ocean versus the agitated surf that is known as society, a constant if you will. Your parents are supposed to be a constant, if they are not, usually your life is a torrent of strife.(Note usually).

You can argue a gullible aspect to it, and for the mindless sheep who do not question it, I thoroughly agree. I am not one of those mindless sheep. never have I given money to the church without my 100% will, and never will it happen. it is NOT SUPPOSED to be like that. I took 4 years off of my religion when I wanted to blame it and abandon it, to search my soul and for answers my mind was not open to. It was an awakening experience. I found that my original religion was not to blame, and I realized it's truth, rather than just living it because it was familiar. You can atleast honor that, can you not?

As far as the up above thing. It is a faith. That simple. I treat my love as a faith, I am being faithful to my girlfriend. You have to believe. If you do not want to believe and do not have the capability to do so, you will not. Plain and simple. There is no argument, it is a truth. I as well as anyone ina religion should respect that, as long as you can respect our beliefs to the point of not insulting them in malice.

If you were attempting to compare talking to the dead to talking to praying to Jesus, or God, that is null. God, Jesus, and The Holy Spirit are a trinity, but at the same time one. Jesus was the Son of God, but at the same time a part of God. therefore even in death Jesus is still a part of God, created by God. They are all an extension of the same being. It is said so in the Bible, and obviously there is no truth to prove that. Once again, faith is your choice.

As far as you saying about your friend. No, I would not laugh at it. It is easy to say that it could be of the Faith. If he could do that without faith, then the argument would be unavoidable as it is a direct conflict. As far as I know, minus basic science truths, that has not happened.

And as for the profit situation, I have never gone to a church that uses 'gullibility' as a sales point. In fact, the pastor who owns the church only uses money that was in time of need, and his wife supported a majority with her nursing. If you call him a bum, they met at a Bible college and she knew her future life with him before they married, it was solely her choice. He built his own home, out of wood in the lanf they bought and with help from friends of the church. The man is a true renaissance man if I ever saw one! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif Anyways, he is an honest man and never requires a penny from the church, but we give it //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

I hope this helps, and once again, I'd love to see your reasoning for malice towards the Word,

~Levi

 

[seth350 10+ year member]

To each his own.

One thing I have noticed about some christian people is how judgmental they are.

"You're going to hell, an Im not."

Of course some of their stereotyping comes with the judgemental side of them.

"That guy doesn't believe in Jesus, he's wearing black."

Correct me if Im wrong, but the bible said that God is the only judge and thou shall not judge others. Maybe not word for word but it says something to that effect. Many of us do it and not realize it. Which is why some go to church and cleanse themselves and do it all over again the next week.

I guess they are just too caught up in it to actually realize they are messing up. The thought of going to heaven and everything being perfect and not EVERYONE is going has just gave them an ego about the size of heaven. Face it, if you won a trip to the most perfect most gorgeous place on earth where ever you choose it to be, you would brag too or point out others who aren't going.

And naturally some pull the "humans aint perfect" card. True, we are not all perfect. But atleast attempt to be a good christian, instead of getting drunk off your *** saturday night and go to church the next day and ask ole buddy Jesus to forgive you. Then to just do it again next weekend. Yeah your not perfect. Go ahead and drink and have your fun and we will forget about it all Sunday. Like it never happened. One could seek a sense of peace with that concept, actually more of an illusion of peace.

I guess calling these people Christians is just making this subject too broad. I guess you could call these people "perfect on sunday" people. Call themselves Christains just to hang out with the cool group or the popular kids, or they may too afraid of losing friends or becoming one of those "losers" or "that other group of kids".

Now, back on subject.

I don't care what religion you are. What you believe or anything. Frankly you could worship Richard Simmons and I wouldn't judge you. I may think its a tad bit odd, but not call you out on it and say ok...w/e....your going to hell. If that what gives you peace of mind and a clear conscious, then great I'm glad you found something that makes you a happier person.

Sadly everyone has their beliefs and supports them firmly which is fine.

If you have ever read the Da Vinci code, then you basically know what Im "interested" i guess you could call it. Not really believe thats what happen and thats it, but it made a lot more sense to me than any other teachings Ive had.

Then again, I believe religion is to give people hope, happiness, and peace of mind and a reason to live. I think of the bible as basically a book of guidlines. You follow the book and you may live a happy fullfilling life. I mean really if you followed the bible daily, wouldn't you be a better person. Of course. Ok, taking that book and linking it with a higher spirtual power and giving people a reason to follow this book is where church and God and Jesus come in. A reward (heaven) is promised if you follow the bible and an eternal everlasting after-life with the Lord.

Take the RE sub give away for example for it is a good one.

If RE just simply said "Hey sign up!" how many of yall would actually do it?

Now if RE sticks that little reward in it there, "Hey sign up and you can win a free subwoofer!" I would say a whole lot more people would sign up then.

But thats the end of my rant, its too long anyways.

Should have kept it simple, To Each His Own.

 

[Mitch86 5,000+ posts]

This is STILL going on? Come on people, both sides are fighting a never ending battle...MODS, close this shit.

 

[Frankensuby 10+ year member]

^^^ A decent head on his shoulders //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

Yes, we are not supposed to be the judges of each other. It is God who will do the judging in the end //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

And great point with the drinking Saturday night and then Forgiveness on Sunday! I've done it, and am ashamed. It really roots to you do not have to get drunk (alcohol is not illegal, abusing it is) because you can have fun without drugs, alcohol, etc... no?

Once again, thoroughly agree with you on the Ego aspect. I do not remember actually pulling that, but I probably have atleast thought that in the past.

Reading the Bible daily doesn't ensure you are a good person. I can read the Book everyday and have the willpower to hold up a bank the next day //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif You have to believe in it and want to follow it first.

Also, extremely good point on the 'happy place' thoughts. Just look at the insane rise in Positive religion feedback when the 9/11 issues first occurred. Everyone rushed to churches and prayed, even people who never went. It shows that in times of severe trouble, we turn to the rock solid, the constant, and it is the Bible. It is here, and people can reply on it's soothing words and steadfast truths when they are shaking and weak, unable to support themselves. And that is the nature of the true religion and a good church. I was happy to see it, even though I knew it was short lived. Face it, religion is only important to many when they are in trouble. When everything is fine and dandy, they can forget praying, their usual church going etc... even though it isn't necessarily required, it is still encouraged.

And yes, the reward COULD be a way to view the religion. If you are in the religion solely for Heaven, then you are in it for the wrong reasons. The religion is so much more.

~Levi

 

[Frankensuby 10+ year member]

This is STILL going on? Come on people, both sides are fighting a never ending battle...MODS, close this shit.

A civilized conversation is not grounds for a lock. I enjoy this mind picking. As long as we stay Gents (and ladies if viewing) this should be a beneficial thread, and a great conversation.

Cheers!

~Levi

 

[saywhat? 5,000+ posts]

You have much malice towards religion in general, it's more than easy to see. I'm not disrespecting, i honestly want to know what has sparked this hatred for it? Once again, I'm not trying to prod and not being sarcastic, i just want to know why you vehemently dislike religion.
As far as it being a book. Yes, it is a book. As you can see or feel, it is printed paper bound by glue or staples in a certain order made to make sense and be read. The difference between this Book and the other books is that it has sparked a worlwide epidemic. It has moved people, it has healed people of their mental instabilities and brought men to their knees. It has scared empires and made men seek it out. It is not the Book, but it's message that is held within the books that are important. You hand me a Bible, I see a message, not molecules bound togeher by the science it is using to exist. I see the message that, when used properly, has no possible way of harming a man, but only helping this man understand himself, and helping this mans' life out. I see it as a calming ocean versus the agitated surf that is known as society, a constant if you will. Your parents are supposed to be a constant, if they are not, usually your life is a torrent of strife.(Note usually).

You can argue a gullible aspect to it, and for the mindless sheep who do not question it, I thoroughly agree. I am not one of those mindless sheep. never have I given money to the church without my 100% will, and never will it happen. it is NOT SUPPOSED to be like that. I took 4 years off of my religion when I wanted to blame it and abandon it, to search my soul and for answers my mind was not open to. It was an awakening experience. I found that my original religion was not to blame, and I realized it's truth, rather than just living it because it was familiar. You can atleast honor that, can you not?

As far as the up above thing. It is a faith. That simple. I treat my love as a faith, I am being faithful to my girlfriend. You have to believe. If you do not want to believe and do not have the capability to do so, you will not. Plain and simple. There is no argument, it is a truth. I as well as anyone ina religion should respect that, as long as you can respect our beliefs to the point of not insulting them in malice.

If you were attempting to compare talking to the dead to talking to praying to Jesus, or God, that is null. God, Jesus, and The Holy Spirit are a trinity, but at the same time one. Jesus was the Son of God, but at the same time a part of God. therefore even in death Jesus is still a part of God, created by God. They are all an extension of the same being. It is said so in the Bible, and obviously there is no truth to prove that. Once again, faith is your choice.

As far as you saying about your friend. No, I would not laugh at it. It is easy to say that it could be of the Faith. If he could do that without faith, then the argument would be unavoidable as it is a direct conflict. As far as I know, minus basic science truths, that has not happened.

And as for the profit situation, I have never gone to a church that uses 'gullibility' as a sales point. In fact, the pastor who owns the church only uses money that was in time of need, and his wife supported a majority with her nursing. If you call him a bum, they met at a Bible college and she knew her future life with him before they married, it was solely her choice. He built his own home, out of wood in the lanf they bought and with help from friends of the church. The man is a true renaissance man if I ever saw one! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif Anyways, he is an honest man and never requires a penny from the church, but we give it //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

I hope this helps, and once again, I'd love to see your reasoning for malice towards the Word,

~Levi

Why I am "against" organized religion? I'll say this...it is beatin into every little kids mind while they grow up that god is everything, if you don't go to church then you wont amount to anything in a sense. I grew up to think for myself, see the rational behind the thoughts the people of all things religion seem to not see. I have nothing against christians/muslims/catholics/jews/ or any other religion for that matter until it is put upon me that if I am not a member, I am nothing. THIS has been a message portrayed throughout my life to MANY people, not just myself. My town right now is UNBELIEVEBLY religious. Every corner has a church on it, and one church is **** near the size of half the town.

My beliefs were only STRENGTHENED when I saw the size of the church here. This picture only shows half the building btw. This church wasnt built on donations, and personal money. This is city money, money that can go to the schools, neighborhoods, streets, police enforcment, TEACHERS, AFTER SCHOOL PROGRAMS, you name it......theres a better place than a church for it to go to. People around here are the epitamy of christianity in my eyes. If I dont go to church, people dont know me, ask who i am, why I dont go to church, does he not believe? Who are they to ask the questions that I choose to share with only close friends?

Malice towards religion? Because everything "organized" is corrupt. Be it religion, the government...whatever. All these to do with money, are corrupt in a way. I have the one to go to church for....6 or 7 years straight, never missing a sunday. Why? Friends. Everyone I could possibly come in contact within the immediate vicinity as a kid, went to the local church. Did I ever understand the beliefs, fate, and views of your typical christian? Yes, I did. Do I now? Yes, I can see why you believe the things, and yet most of "you" cant see why I can't see the same. Im the outsider in the world to these religions.

We had a layed back church, come in shorts, t-shirts, crazy hair colors, it was truly the view christianity SHOULD have. Who said you need a button up and khakis to praise god? Does it not say, you should accept any and all parties that are willing to give the religious experience a chance? Yet I get cowardly expressions, and "the look" your mom gave you as a kid because I where a hat with the bill folded up, baggy pants and a T-shirt that says "The things your parents forgot to tell you."

Now again.....please tell me WHY i should participate in an organization that bends the rules only to straighten them back out when the "outsider" leaves?