Also i know my title doesnt imply it but i dont just mean loud. I mean without turning gain to 100% and bass boost at 50%+ I cant get the sub to move enough to be loud. At a normal setting the sub responds in a way that i would expect it to if I had 600-800 rms to it. When I turn the amp up way to far the sub responds as if it has about 1500- 2000 rms to it, but i shouldnt have to have it up this far. If I dont it doesnt clip so no damage should be done and any clipping it creates is only very minor, not continuous clipping.,