gun control?

[JonMR2turbo 10+ year member]

Hahahaha

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

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[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

^^ just for you buffalohed... i doubt that anyone else in the lounge will recognize it //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[PollyCranopolis 10+ year member]

All you people saying that gun control wouldn't have stopped this are retarded. He legally bought his guns.... they were NOT guns from the criminal underworld.
So if he couldn't have bought those guns (ie because of gun control), he wouldn't have been able to kill those students with them.

Reports are that the guns had their serial numbers scratched off. The were acquired outside of the normal channels of commerce and illegally carried to the Virginia Tech campus. The law meant nothing to the shooter. It meant something to the victims though, and perhaps that's why there wasn't one person anywhere near the shooter with a gun that might .. just might have been used for self defense.

 

[denim 5,000+ posts]

I have read through most of this...

 

Honestly, do people really think allowing more guns to be carried by more people is the solution?

 

Do you really think we should be waking up and instead of suit and tie, is flak jacket and helmet?

 

Seriously, putting more guns out there is going to make people safer?

 

If this guy (VT) lost it and went nuts, do you really in your right mind think that by giving the opportunity to more people to carry weapons, that this will not happen more often?

 

Lastly, what direction are we taking our country/society when we feel we need to all carry weapons to protect ourselves, just like savage third world countries?

 

For real, think about what some of you are saying, and don't have the instant "who the hell are you to tell me I can't carry a weapon" attitude. The solution is to work towards a safer society not a more dangerous one where people could have shoot outs at random times during the day in public. Do you really want to move towards a vigilante style life?

 

And these stats people like to pull about about legal weapons cause less deaths than illegal ones, is f'n bull. People are still killing people, and yes they can learn bombs or chemicals, but those take knowledge and training which many of todays killers don't have the capacity to do or the money to do so. To end my rant, I am not telling anyone to do anything, just trying to provoke advanced thought (which I know is a lost cause on this website.)

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

Reports are that the guns had their serial numbers scratched off. The were acquired outside of the normal channels of commerce and illegally carried to the Virginia Tech campus. The law meant nothing to the shooter. It meant something to the victims though, and perhaps that's why there wasn't one person anywhere near the shooter with a gun that might .. just might have been used for self defense.

every report ive seen said the guns were legally purchased.

 

[PollyCranopolis 10+ year member]

every report ive seen said the guns were legally purchased.

hmm...looks as if the shooter may have filed them off himself. I wonder why he did that, considering he had no intention of walking out of there alive. I stand by my earlier statement that you are never ever going to get the guns out of the hands of those who want to use them for carnage. Never. There has never been one single gun control plan presented that would take the guns out of the hands of criminals. Only law abiding people are going to abide by gun control laws. Criminals are not. Seeing as how criminals are always going to be able to aquire guns weather or not they are legal, I'm glad as a private and responsible citizen, I have the right to carry a firearm with a concealed-carry permit.

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

hmm...looks as if the shooter may have filed them off himself. I wonder why he did that, considering he had no intention of walking out of there alive. I stand by my earlier statement that you are never ever going to get the guns out of the hands of those who want to use them for carnage. Never. There has never been one single gun control plan presented that would take the guns out of the hands of criminals. Only law abiding people are going to abide by gun control laws. Criminals are not. Seeing as how criminals are always going to be able to aquire guns weather or not they are legal, I'm glad as a private and responsible citizen, I have the right to carry a firearm with a concealed-carry permit.

OK, well we are also never going to stop ****, pedophilia, theft, addiction, or racism either. Does that mean we shouldn't even try? We should just give up before even attempting to make progress?

 

[PollyCranopolis 10+ year member]

OK, well we are also never going to stop ****, pedophilia, theft, addiction, or racism either. Does that mean we shouldn't even try? We should just give up before even attempting to make progress?

Yes, but in the meantime, I'm going to want the option of protecting myself, seeing as how my responsible ownership of a gun does nothing to perpetuate the problem of criminals using guns in violent crimes.

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

Yes, but in the meantime, I'm going to want the option of protecting myself, seeing as how my responsible ownership of a gun does nothing to perpetuate the problem of criminals using guns in violent crimes.

Criminals never use stolen guns in the commission of violent crimes?

 

[pwnt by pat 10+ year member]

School shootings are pretty frequent anymore still makes no senseBut anyway, I still stand by what I said. If we are talking about school shootings and gun toting in the same context, what do you do about high school shootings.

How does that not make sense? Let me reword for you:

There are still school shootings and these days, they seem fairly frequent - highschools and post-secondary included.

Let's set up a hypothetical situation. You're in a class full of people at a university. Let's say that there are 30 people in that room. A predator with a gun walks through the door. He shoots the professor, kills him. He then takes the remainder of the people in the room and lines them up against a wall. He then walks up to the first person and shots them in the head. Now ... let me allow you to change the scenario. We can freeze-frame this situation while you make a decision. Your decision is this: You can put a gun into the hands of one student or a professor in that room, or you can leave things exactly the way they are. What are you going to do? Come on now, let's have it. Which way do you want it? Do you want the predator to be the only one in the room with a gun? Or would you like to have at least the fighting chance that would result if one, maybe two of your classmates had a firearm.
"Oh no, I don't want anyone else to have a gun! They might try to shoot the killer and innocent people might get caught in the crossfire!" Well you can try to find a rational basis for that argument from now until pigs fly, and you will fail. There is no rationality in that argument. It's an argument based in mindless hysteria.

for the sake of argument:

What say the sociology department, in the name of scientific research, decides to hold a skit with the teacher and a few students included where a mock-gunman breaks into the class "kills" the professors and teachers and then "terrorizes" the room? Anyone with a gun will kill them after they "pop" the teacher. Then you end up with one dead person and a regretful situation.

I agree with Denum, it's a situation that should have been avoided. Sounds like what I posted a dozen pages back or so //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

See there is more of your perverse logic... the true liberal position is no gun control at all.
A real conservative would ban all guns, in order to protect citizens. Conservatives love to regulate peoples lives with their social policy. They want to protect us from guns, drugs, gays, sin, fun and and terrorism..because WE LOVE OUR COUNTRY.

You god dam liberals will fall for anything.. you want to encourage sin and debauchery, in essence daming as many people to an afterlife filled with fire and brimstone.. you want to allow this great nation to be overrun with sin and vice.. guns and drugs... foreigners and minorities. If it was up to you, there would be a queer marriage church, an abortion clinic and a pimp on every corner.

Forgive my ignorance, but isn't the true conservative agenda to keep government on a state level, not national, and reduse goverment influence in personal life (small government theory). While Liberal government philosophy is to regulate certain aspects of private life to promote social and economic equality? With that, conservatives would cry no gun control and liberals would say either "yes, remove all guns" OR "give every single person a gun". This is ignoring private safety and the fact that liberals would push for a beefier security force, policement, and the like, of course.

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

Forgive my ignorance, but isn't the true conservative agenda to keep government on a state level, not national, and reduse goverment influence in personal life (small government theory). While Liberal government philosophy is to regulate certain aspects of private life to promote social and economic equality? With that, conservatives would cry no gun control and liberals would say either "yes, remove all guns" OR "give every single person a gun". This is ignoring private safety and the fact that liberals would push for a beefier security force, policement, and the like, of course.

OK since you asked nicely i will forgive your ignorance.

Nonetheless, the true conservative agenda is to protect us from sin, queers, hell, WMDs, terrorism, child molesters, taxes, forefingers, fun and minorities.

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights. It seeks a society characterized by freedom of thought for individuals, limitations on power (especially of government and religion), the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market economy that supports free private enterprise, and a transparent system of government in which the rights of all citizens are protected

Conservatism is a relativistic term used to describe political philosophies that favor traditional values, where "tradition" refers to religious, cultural, or nationally defined beliefs and customs. The term is derived from the Latin, conservāre, to conserve; "to keep, guard, observe". Since different cultures have different established values, conservatives in different cultures have different goals. Some conservatives seek to preserve the status quo, while others seek to return to the values of an earlier time, the status quo ante.

 

[NhustlaR 10+ year member]

See there is more of your perverse logic... the true liberal position is no gun control at all.
A real conservative would ban all guns, in order to protect citizens. Conservatives love to regulate peoples lives with their social policy. They want to protect us from guns, drugs, gays, sin, fun and and terrorism..because WE LOVE OUR COUNTRY.

You god dam liberals will fall for anything.. you want to encourage sin and debauchery, in essence daming as many people to an afterlife filled with fire and brimstone.. you want to allow this great nation to be overrun with sin and vice.. guns and drugs... foreigners and minorities. If it was up to you, there would be a queer marriage church, an abortion clinic and a pimp on every corner.

put the crack pipe DOWN. most or some democrats are "liberals." theyre the ones who are normally FOR gun control and want all of these laws prohibiting the carry and use of firearms.

 

[NhustlaR 10+ year member]

when most of them own guns themselves!