Going green

[UndercoverPunk 5,000+ posts]

Going green is not bullshit. You're just too closed minded to accept a better way to be.

(I drive a gigantor car with a v-8, i have my vices as well)

 

[SethPhillips 5,000+ posts]

i want a big disel truck so bad... had a 05 diesel excursion with the full banks kit, propane, intake, intercooler, turbo, and 5'' exhast.. that thing went from 0-60 with the quickness... and i loved dumpin black smoke out on people...

 

[WhoSayWho? 5,000+ posts]

Last time some fawker did that, they caught the taste of their own blood from the bullet coming out of my smoking colt .45!


True Story!

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[2kchevy06civic 5,000+ posts]

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[fwb_1234 10+ year member]

Eh. I'll be dead.

Kind of irresponsible, but really, why should I care?

^Argument I've heard and considered before.

The only way we are really going to enact change is to find some negative effect on us, now, or someway that acting will benefit us, now.

We're selfish.

 

[fwb_1234 10+ year member]

Wow this died. I was kind of hoping someone would prove me wrong.

 

[mattf 5,000+ posts]

Wow this died. I was kind of hoping someone would prove me wrong.

I agree with your last post about changes.

 

[HitManSE 10+ year member]

Wow this died. I was kind of hoping someone would prove me wrong.

I was going to, but you're right. So whats there to prove wrong? Thats actually a great way to look at it, because in reality, thats exactly how people think.

The thing is, you know its irresponsible to think that way. You stated it yourself, so you know you shouldnt think that way. However using that, it can help reach people in a different way. Ill expand on that a bit. A negative effect, is the gas prices, the smog, and the bad health that comes along with it.

Also if we ease up off of oil, the US will most likely ease up on its control over the middle east (and most oil producing countries) because thats just how supply and demand works. So if there is a large supply of gas, yet less demand. Wtf do we need it for?

Thats a plus in 2 ways. One, we'll no longer will need to worry about terrorist BS because we'll no longer be there pissing them off. We'll also have a main energy source that can be created anywhere in the world, so the US wont be needing to waste $ outside of the country just to control the way oil is distributed.

Less peope being pissed off, will mean they'll also relax a bit on taking away our rights to "protect" us //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif So its kind of a snowball thing IMO. Im sure if you think about it, you'll be able to find more places this would impact in your daily life. So it'll go beyond just having a different type of car.

That being said, I dont believe fuel powered cars should be 100% eliminated, however dialy drivers and such etc.. dont need to be gas powered. That will remove a majority of the unnecessary vehicles on the road.

The positives far outweigh the negatives, not just for long term effects on the environment, but for the here and now. IMO, thats what we should care about. So going by the fact that people are selfish, that fits just fine //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

 

[flakko 5,000+ posts]

Actually if memory serves diesel is actually less polluting to the air, I want to say it's something to do with heavier exhaust particles that fall to the ground and a more complete burn.

true its less polluting, however it produces more ash in tha air causing lung problems. (think of a mini volcano) haha my car causes asthma.

that should be a bumper sticker

edit: im registered green and i drive a deisel my life is a contradiction

 

[ToyTundra 10+ year member]

I heard the exhaust particles are very fine i.e. easy to inhale. They supposedly cause cancer too, but what doesn't now a days? I plan to rock a diesel VW commuter when it costs $130 to fill up my truck.

 

[fwb_1234 10+ year member]

I was going to, but you're right. So whats there to prove wrong? Thats actually a great way to look at it, because in reality, thats exactly how people think.
The thing is, you know its irresponsible to think that way. You stated it yourself, so you know you shouldnt think that way. However using that, it can help reach people in a different way. Ill expand on that a bit. A negative effect, is the gas prices, the smog, and the bad health that comes along with it.

Also if we ease up off of oil, the US will most likely ease up on its control over the middle east (and most oil producing countries) because thats just how supply and demand works. So if there is a large supply of gas, yet less demand. Wtf do we need it for?

Thats a plus in 2 ways. One, we'll no longer will need to worry about terrorist BS because we'll no longer be there pissing them off. We'll also have a main energy source that can be created anywhere in the world, so the US wont be needing to waste $ outside of the country just to control the way oil is distributed.

Less peope being pissed off, will mean they'll also relax a bit on taking away our rights to "protect" us //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif So its kind of a snowball thing IMO. Im sure if you think about it, you'll be able to find more places this would impact in your daily life. So it'll go beyond just having a different type of car.

That being said, I dont believe fuel powered cars should be 100% eliminated, however dialy drivers and such etc.. dont need to be gas powered. That will remove a majority of the unnecessary vehicles on the road.

The positives far outweigh the negatives, not just for long term effects on the environment, but for the here and now. IMO, thats what we should care about. So going by the fact that people are selfish, that fits just fine //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

That's a good point, and you aren't the first person to try to sell the "using less oil = getting of Middle East's balls" idea.

I think it's a really good idea.

However, this fact won't really affect my gas decisions.

I think that, as a culture, we don't commit to solving problems as a group or for anything in the future. We are very independent and short sighted.

We don't vote because "Well, it's just one vote, it won't matter." attitude is so prominent.

If we buy more fuel efficient cars, it's because of the cost at the pump, not because of the situation in the Middle East. (I'm just one consumer of oil, what's it going to matter?)

Actually, rethinking my previous point, we still haven't really changed our habits. We still buy gas guzzlers and then get mad at ourselves for not having the restraint to buy something smaller and more practical.

We live for the NOW.

 

[HitManSE 10+ year member]

That's a good point, and you aren't the first person to try to sell the "using less oil = getting of Middle East's balls" idea.I think it's a really good idea.

However, this fact won't really affect my gas decisions.

I think that, as a culture, we don't commit to solving problems as a group or for anything in the future. We are very independent and short sighted.

We don't vote because "Well, it's just one vote, it won't matter." attitude is so prominent.

If we buy more fuel efficient cars, it's because of the cost at the pump, not because of the situation in the Middle East. (I'm just one consumer of oil, what's it going to matter?)

Actually, rethinking my previous point, we still haven't really changed our habits. We still buy gas guzzlers and then get mad at ourselves for not having the restraint to buy something smaller and more practical.

We live for the NOW.

You're missing the point. It doesnt matter what gets a person motivated, even if its being selfish. As long as that motivational factor is there, that button can be pushed. Sure the middle east situation is a problem, but our gas prices are what effects us here & now. So, we can use that as the motivation. So long as the end result is the same. Who cares what our reason is, I promise the people of the middle east wont care //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

If you're just one person who's a customer for oil, its not a problem. However there are at least 150 million people that need at the very least 15 gallons of fuel a week (very conservative #s btw). Doing the math, thats well over 2.2 billion gallons of gas every week. So once you start talking #'s every person counts. Its another case of the raindrop doesnt think its responsible for the flood.

The 2nd part in bold, well thats the thing. This is why I KNOW our government is supporting the usage of oil. They want it to increase, they dont want the demand to go down. They're working to increase its demand. Why do you think they're offering tax breaks to people who buy SUV's? the car companies dont care because its more incentive for them to make sales & profit. Sure they'll hand down a tax break, knowing you'll spend X amount more in the long run in fuel.

Its just an investment on their part, all people look at is "ohh look, its a tax break. lets buy it!" but dont consider how much the fuel is going to be. Dumb really, but its working & in great #'s. So the public is doing exactly as the government wants. All it takes is a bit of common sense to put 2 and 2 together and see the picture.

My parents ended up falling into this category, they got shafted on taxes this year so they went out and got a new SUV for tax purposes. Yeah its nice, but its not really necessary. Hes 100% sure he'll sell it after 3 yrs, the tax breaks alone will pay for the truck. Its just ghey they had to go that route, and a lot of people fall into that for that same reason. It would have ended up costing them more for a normal car after 3 years because of the tax.