Gas with 10% ethanol = Bad gas mileage

My mileage is around 4MPG lower this year than in the past, I've been thinking it's prolly from this ethanol crap. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif

I need to fill up with real gas and see if I can tell a diff...

 
Hmmm, here in illinois all stations have had 10% ethanol since I began driving. I still get near 30 mpg in my six cylinder. One good thing about it is it lowers the freezing temperature of the gasoline, so I never worry about that.

 
I get horrible mileage regardless now as my cat broke and now my car is (im assuming) running way to rich wasting fuel.

I could could 350 miles a tank before. Now I can barely manage 250. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/verymad.gif.3f39c5c2fd57527b671fad3efdfac756.gif

 
ethanol has a lower flash point which means it burns faster

the so called 10% i think is a lot lower than what they really put in. its probably more like 25%

to make it even worse regular unleaded is nothing but waste product of making higher grade fuels

we are buying junk for a premium

 
ethanol has a lower flash point which means it burns faster the so called 10% i think is a lot lower than what they really put in. its probably more like 25%

to make it even worse regular unleaded is nothing but waste product of making higher grade fuels

we are buying junk for a premium
Not in all cases.

 
Flash point has little impact on fuel burned inside an engine. Octane is the determining factor in how engine fuel burns. Ethanol is much higher octane than pump gasoline, and some race gas for that matter. That's a major reason people see less efficient results than desired. Ethanol doesn't have less energy potential than gasoline, it's less efficient in the sense that you get less energy per dollar spent on production than you do with gasoline. Slim Shady seems to be the only person here who has any ****ing clue what the **** they're talking about.

You get worse mileage, because ethanol is ~105 octane. Octane is the rating of a fuel's ability to resist detonation. The higher the octane rating, the more compression needed to get the fuel to ignite efficiently. Most cars do not provide the compression needed to efficiently ignite ethanol, which results in more fuel being wasted. It has nothing to do with ethanol being a mistake or a bad source of fuel. It has to do with most cars not being capable of effectively using ethanol.

Ethanol is in it's infant stages. Corn has been found to be one of the least efficient sources of ethanol, but it is the source that technology supports at this point. As technology improves, other ethanol sources will come to the forefront and ethanol will become more of a mainstay in the market. I own a flex fuel vehicle, and I see more power, much smoother idle/acceleration, and cooler running temps on E85, and only a minor decrease in economy (1-2 combined mpg), and a difference of a few dollars per fill-up (in my favor).

 
Flash point has little impact on fuel burned inside an engine. Octane is the determining factor in how engine fuel burns. Ethanol is much higher octane than pump gasoline, and some race gas for that matter. That's a major reason people see less efficient results than desired. Ethanol doesn't have less energy potential than gasoline, it's less efficient in the sense that you get less energy per dollar spent on production than you do with gasoline. Slim Shady seems to be the only person here who has any ****ing clue what the **** they're talking about.
You get worse mileage, because ethanol is ~105 octane. Octane is the rating of a fuel's ability to resist detonation. The higher the octane rating, the more compression needed to get the fuel to ignite efficiently. Most cars do not provide the compression needed to efficiently ignite ethanol, which results in more fuel being wasted. It has nothing to do with ethanol being a mistake or a bad source of fuel. It has to do with most cars not being capable of effectively using ethanol.

Ethanol is in it's infant stages. Corn has been found to be one of the least efficient sources of ethanol, but it is the source that technology supports at this point. As technology improves, other ethanol sources will come to the forefront and ethanol will become more of a mainstay in the market. I own a flex fuel vehicle, and I see more power, much smoother idle/acceleration, and cooler running temps on E85, and only a minor decrease in economy (1-2 combined mpg), and a difference of a few dollars per fill-up (in my favor).

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