Final SQ Deck Choices: Poll

[adam71 5,000+ posts]

You're still recommending an inferior deck to Diamond though. He doesn't have screens or an A/V system so that is NOT what he needs. He wants music and has said nothing about movies. The 9255 is much better suited to his needs than that combo you're talking about.

I also find it hard to believe anyone who owned a 9255 would go back to a 8053.

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

You're still recommending an inferior deck to Diamond though. He doesn't have screens or an A/V system so that is NOT what he needs. He wants music and has said nothing about movies. The 9255 is much better suited to his needs than that combo you're talking about.

WTF are you talking about? NO ONE mentioned anything about video or movies. The H701 has superior processing. End of story. It is not solely a video/DTS processor. Even when used in a solely music/stereo enviornment, it has superior processing. More equalization, more slopes, wider frequency selection, etc etc. And when used with the DVA-9860, you can run direct digital input and control the H701 from the DVA.

And since you mentioned it; It does possess the ability to also function in a video/movie enviornment. So should he ever want to "upgrade" to having video....guess what, he's already set for that aswell //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

However you want to spin its fine with me man.

I also find it hard to believe anyone who owned a 9255 would go back to a 8053.

"Spin" what? There's no "spin" Here is the direct copy n paste:

Question:

Slick, honestly, was it worth the upgrade from the Eclipse CD8053 to the Clarion DRZ9255? I have a few decks already, but for the "mystery" of the old DRX9255, I really want to purchase the new one.

Slick's response:

honestly....no. the 9255 is a great deck so far, and i think it has a slight edge in SQ (and its subjective, remember that), but like most things, its not really double the price better. i still say that the 8053 is the best SQ deck you can get for the price, cant beat its features and specs.

 

[adam71 5,000+ posts]

I totally agree that the 8053 is a fantastic deck but unfortunately they aren't made any more.

Oh, and I still stand that the 9255 is the better choice in this case, no matter how much you want to lose your temper and lobby for the Alpine shit he doesn't need.

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

Oh, and I still stand that the 9255 is the better choice in this case, no matter how much you want to lose your temper and lobby for the Alpine shit he doesn't need.

I haven't lost my temper //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

However, I still fail to see how "he doesn't need" the Alpine equipment. Unless by "shit he doesn't need" you mean 10x the equalization, steeper slopes, more crossover frequency selection, etc etc........which will yield a MUCH BIGGER difference in sound than any inherent "sonic differences" between them.

Get it out of your mind that the H701 is only for video. It's not. It has superior processing in a music/stereo only enviornment. If he doesn't want to use the video features, that's fine. It will still have superior processing ability, which will make the biggest difference.

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[adam71 5,000+ posts]

I haven't lost my temper //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif
However, I still fail to see how "he doesn't need" the Alpine equipment. Unless by "shit he doesn't need" you mean 10x the equalization, steeper slopes, more crossover frequency selection, etc etc........which will yield a MUCH BIGGER difference in sound than any inherent "sonic differences" between them.

Get it out of your mind that the H701 is only for video. It's not. It has superior processing in a music/stereo only enviornment.

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//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/boring.gif.42c69fa49b1e73e6332d62b462a2a4b3.gif :bored: Do you have anything else?? I have heard your plea about 5 times now and it is getting old.

But relax man and live life and breathe.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/spank.gif.0d78e34d42ea8780359e903aeb6697d6.gif

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/boring.gif.42c69fa49b1e73e6332d62b462a2a4b3.gif :bored: Do you have anything else?? I have heard your plea about 5 times now and it is getting old.

No, I don't have anything else......because what I've stated is all that's needed //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

I'm not saying the 9255 is not a good piece of equipment, if someone wanted an all-in-one headunit. But in a situation like this where an outboard mounted processor is an option, and specifically the H701, there is really no reason to go with the processing-inferior 9255.

You can claim 9255 "superiority" all you want.....but when it comes down to which will have the biggest sonic impact, it's clear the H701 is the winner.

 

[UndercoverPunk 5,000+ posts]

so.... I'm gonna get me one of them dere H701s.... then it's horny time.

 

[Eugenics 5,000+ posts]

im thinking about getting one as well

 

[UndercoverPunk 5,000+ posts]

mmmmm 30db/oct.... what kind of equiptment would people beusing to get a 36db/oct. slope in car? rackmounts or what?

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

mmmmm 30db/oct.... what kind of equiptment would people beusing to get a 36db/oct. slope in car? rackmounts or what?

A different processor....LOL

There are a select few car audio processors that go higher than 30db/oct. The P9 combo goes to 36db/oct on all outputs I believe. The Sony C90/4000X combo will do 72db/oct on all outputs. Coustic XM6 has 36db/oct on the subwoofer output only (18db on the highpass and bandpass). The Arc DXE will do 48db/oct on the subwoofer output only (up to 24db on the other outputs).

Then I'm sure there's plenty of PA gear (rack mount) that will do 36db/oct or more.

 

[MrBlack 10+ year member]

If I were me... (thinks for a moment and checks just to make sure)

wait I AM me!

Well then, in that case I would still go with the Clarion 9255. The amount of processing included in the 701 is so far above what a casual music listener would ever consider necessary, that having all of it and not putting it to proper use could possibly make things sound worse in the long run...

The 9255 has plenty of processing capability for 99% of you out there. 5 bands of parametric eq is enough to smooth out even the most drastic of system responses, and 18 db / octave crossovers are steeper than what you find built into most equipment. And no matter what, all the processing in the world isn't going to make up for the output is lost from using the standard dac's from the Alpine 9855.

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

If I were me... (thinks for a moment and checks just to make sure)
wait I AM me!

Well then, in that case I would still go with the Clarion 9255. The amount of processing included in the 701 is so far above what a casual music listener would ever consider necessary, that having all of it and not putting it to proper use could possibly make things sound worse in the long run...

And given the level of equipment he is considering, I'd say he is going after more than being a "casual listener".

For a "casual listener", there'd be nothing wrong with just doing a Pioneer Premier 860MP for considerably less of a price.

The 9255 has plenty of processing capability for 99% of you out there. 5 bands of parametric eq is enough to smooth out even the most drastic of system responses,

Meh...it'd help smooth it, but not enough to truly tune it.

and 18 db / octave crossovers are steeper than what you find built into most equipment.

Erm....not at the caliber of equipment the 9255 is competing against.

And no matter what, all the processing in the world isn't going to make up for the output is lost from using the standard dac's from the Alpine 9855.

95% of people wouldn't be able to discern a difference. And even if they could, the extra processing power will make more of a difference in overall sonic performance of the entire system than that minute difference in sonic differences between the units themselves.

 

[CAMSHAFT 10+ year member]

Why not do like me.........9255 and DQS. I have Burr Brown K grade DACs, 4 way X-Overs (slope was set at 12db), T-Corr, and Graphic Equalization (192 bands total). I just placed 4th at IASCA finals, so there isnt that much wrong with my set-up.

 

[adam71 5,000+ posts]

Why not do like me.........9255 and DQS. I have Burr Brown K grade DACs, 4 way X-Overs (slope was set at 12db), T-Corr, and Graphic Equalization (192 bands total). I just placed 4th at IASCA finals, so there isnt that much wrong with my set-up.

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There you go. Who says you can't run something else along side the 9255??

 

[adam71 5,000+ posts]

mmmmm 30db/oct.... what kind of equiptment would people beusing to get a 36db/oct. slope in car? rackmounts or what?

The DEQ-P9 has up to 36db/oct slopes.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif