Final SQ Deck Choices: Poll

What Headunit for overall SQ and novice competition?

  • Clarion DRZ9255

    Votes: 25 33.3%
  • Clarion DXZ955MC

    Votes: 9 12.0%
  • Pioneer DEX-P9 (without the DEQ-P9)

    Votes: 14 18.7%
  • Alpine CDA-9855 with PXA-H701

    Votes: 20 26.7%
  • Kenwood XXV-01D

    Votes: 7 9.3%

  • Total voters
    75
Originally posted by 3.5Max6spdActually you can use any HU with the H701, get the same results...once you plug in the 701, the deck becomes a transport only-all processing done by the 701DAC's.
But you're ignoring an important point. If the H701 is used with the 9855, you're not using the deck just as a transport... You're outputting an imperfect signal into the 701 using the analog outputs from the deck. The 701 then takes the signal and converts it back to digital, including all of the imperfections from the orginal analog signal as well as other problems introduced during the A/D conversion, where the processing is done. Then the signal is again converted back into analog by the less than stellar outputs in the 701 to finally be fed to your amplifiers.

This is in no way an optimal situation. You're using the standard 1 bit dac's of the 9855 to input a signal into the 701. You're never going to get a better signal than what you have at the beginning of the line and in this case you're starting with the analog Alpine deck. And on top if it all the 701's outputs aren't really anything the speak of either, at least when compared to what's put into the 9255. Ultimately the 701 teamed with the 9855 is as you say it very flexible, but definately not near the quality of the 9255 where all the processing is done without leaving the digital domain nor is it up to speed with the plain Jane signal from the P9.

 
The DEX-P9 by itself doesn't look too appealing.
Why?? How do you know its not a great sounding deck all by itself?? Listing the DEX-P9 without the DEQ isn't really a fair comparison. The DEX-P9 doesn't come with alot of processing power for a reason, it was made to go with the DEQ. Don't cheat yourself and go with something else without even considering the P9 combo.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif Just my opinion of course.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 
but he dosen't want to get the deq
So what. My opinion still stands on the P9. To compare it to a DRZ-9255 which was desingned as a "stand alone" unit to 1/2 of a combo isn't really a comparison and he's cheating himself.

Thats the same thing as putting a McIntosh home pre amp processor up against a decent home theater receiever. Well without an amplifier to go with the pre amp the McIntosh is worthless so in that respect the receiver is the better value. But in all reality we know the McInsosh (with a companion amp) would be the much better of the two.

 
I like Nakamichi decks, though not as full-featured as the ones mentioned, the d/a converters are stellar, and there really isn't a better cd player IMO, of course the downside is the rediculous cost to acquire one.

 
Why?? How do you know its not a great sounding deck all by itself?? Listing the DEX-P9 without the DEQ isn't really a fair comparison. The DEX-P9 doesn't come with alot of processing power for a reason, it was made to go with the DEQ. Don't cheat yourself and go with something else without even considering the P9 combo.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif Just my opinion of course.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif
The only reason I did not want to get the DEQ is because of the fact that I don't feel like spending another 550$ on it, as was stated previously in the post. I am looking at getting the most bang for my 600$, and as of right now the DRZ is looking like the clear winner.

MrBlack,

Thank you very much for your input, that was my thinking as well that it would be best to focus on a unit that has the best quality output signal rather then the one with the most processing.

I thought about Nakamichi, but I really just can't justify spending that much money on something that has less then stellar looks in my opinion, and then staring at it for a decent amount of time every day.

 
The only reason I did not want to get the DEQ is because of the fact that I don't feel like spending another 550$ on it, as was stated previously in the post. I am looking at getting the most bang for my 600$, and as of right now the DRZ is looking like the clear winner.
Hey, whatever floats your boat brother. You can't go wrong with that deck anwyay. Very high quality.

 
The only reason I did not want to get the DEQ is because of the fact that I don't feel like spending another 550$ on it, as was stated previously in the post. I am looking at getting the most bang for my 600$, and as of right now the DRZ is looking like the clear winner.
In all honesty, your best option would be as Chad said; DVA-9860 (which has digitial output and can control the H701 directly), then pick up the H701 for processing power. Best of both worlds.....no DAC until the outputs of the H701, and ungodly flexible processing power.

But even then....the 9855/H701 combo would still be your best option. See below.

MrBlack,Thank you very much for your input, that was my thinking as well that it would be best to focus on a unit that has the best quality output signal rather then the one with the most processing.
Think about it though; Which will actually have the most sonic difference? A small (and likely inaudible) difference between the 9255 and the 9855/H701 combo outputs, or the vastly large difference in processing?

Answer; The processing.

And as was mentioned...the 9255 is very limited on it's processing power. The H701 will be the last processor you'll ever need, given it's vast amount of equalization, crossover frequency/slope selection, etc etc. And in the end, that will make a much bigger difference in the overall sonic performance of your system.

And then you always have the option Chad mentioned.....which pretty much negates those things MrBlack stated. Further decreasing the "sonic" advantage of the 9255

 
Likewise....I've read some pretty good reviews by respectable members of other forums that say the 9255 wasn't worth double the price of the Eclipse 8053, thta they'd stick with the 8053........for what it's worth.

 
Go with the solid build quality of the 9255. Those 2 pieces together have an MSRP of 1100. Not to mention that processor is more for an A/V system. If you're not planning on having such a system with screens then you're wasting your money on that pair. I think you made the right decision when you decided on the 9255.

 
Likewise....I've read some pretty good reviews by respectable members of other forums that say the 9255 wasn't worth double the price of the Eclipse 8053, thta they'd stick with the 8053........for what it's worth.
Yeah well Eclipse fans/owners are pretty proud and WOULD say that. They couldn't afford the 9255 so they immediately claim the 8053 was right there with it when we all know its not.

Don't get me wrong, the 8053 is the best deck Eclipse has ever made but it is NO compaison to the 9255.

*if I'm not mistaken don't YOU have an 8053??

 
Yeah well Eclipse are pretty proud and WOULD say that. They couldn't afford the 9255 so they immediately claim the 8053 was right there with it when we all know its not.
Um............no //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

Actually they had an 8053, then bought a DRZ9255 (yes, bought...OMGWTFBBQ they could actually afford it).

Good try though //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

You can remove your foot from your mouth now //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

Remember what ASSUME stands for..........

 
Um............no //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif
Actually they had an 8053, then bought a DRZ9255 (yes, bought...OMGWTFBBQ they could actually afford it).

Good try though //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

You can remove your foot from your mouth now //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

Remember what ASSUME stands for..........


However you want to spin its fine with me man.

 
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