FI Q in a Phase Box.

[AudioXtremes 10+ year member]

http://www.hexibase.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=302

 

[CBFryman2 5,000+ posts]

Once Team Toxic Bass gets the patenet and releases plans what is going to stop someone from reverse engineering it and letting out the secret. If I understand the patent process (I am no lawyer) owning a patent only stops corperations from reproducing the enclosure. What is going to stop myself from produceing my own box?

I also call BS on the ability to create directional or "listening area only" bass. I'll watch the video once I get to work (I'm at school right now). But the physics of long wave length sound I learned dictates otherwise.

Sure it can be loud and sure it can sound good. I'm not calling BS on that. I am, however, calling it snake oil. $100 'audiophile grade' cables do the same thing. The similar results can be had with $20 cables.

What it looks like to me is a ported box tuned so that the port also acts as a transmission line and is dumped infront of the woofer instead of on the same plane as the woofer. That is my geuss. A mix of Hemholtz properties and closed pipe resonace properties.

 

[Shinobi 10+ year member]

Looks alot like a wicked one enclousure with some differences. You know people think all these cool looking box designs are cutting edge but in truth almost any box has been used or tried over 30 - 40 years ago maybe even longer.

I claim snake oil aswell...

 

[Hintzyboy 5,000+ posts]

Pete said in his forum (in the thread that was linked a couple posts up) that it is a T-line Hybrid. However, without actually testing it yourself, all you can do is speculate. And $250 isn't that much for a box when you compare it to the price a dealer might charge. I think my local dealer quoted me like $175 for a basic sealed box for my truck. Most professional establishments charge around $50/hour for custom work. I wouldn't pay that much for a normal box. I might consider it for a box like this if I wasn't comfortable doing it myself and I had a chance to test it out first. I would definitely buy the plans if he ever makes them available.

 

[Immacomputer 10+ year member]

Once Team Toxic Bass gets the patenet and releases plans what is going to stop someone from reverse engineering it and letting out the secret. If I understand the patent process (I am no lawyer) owning a patent only stops corperations from reproducing the enclosure. What is going to stop myself from produceing my own box?
I also call BS on the ability to create directional or "listening area only" bass. I'll watch the video once I get to work (I'm at school right now). But the physics of long wave length sound I learned dictates otherwise.

The patent keeps people from making them and selling them. It does not stop people from making their own though. The same way all other enclosure theories are out there for people to use and make. I still think it's lame to worry about a patent on it.

As for the listening area only idea... it is VERY possible. Have you built or listened to many horn enclosures? They are very dependent on the listening area. In my car, if the horn is facing the cabin, I get no output at all. Not like attenuated output like you would with a regular sealed or ported enclosure but no sound at all from it. While in my room, different positioning of the sub creates sweet spots in different places. Horns need a place for the reflected waves to load off of and that place changes when you move the listening area or the enclosure. It's pretty neat to experience in person.

 

[BlackMaxima 10+ year member]

this is going to sound like a dumb Q, but

what is a snake oil ????

 

[BlackMaxima 10+ year member]

i was lookig at the other box's.

for a 12inch or even a 10inch FIQ.

i wanted something compact.

I dont want the depth to be more than 12inches.

plus all the things that other people want

SQ, go low, and loud and be compact.

or i can just do a IB with a 12inch FIQ, same some room.

but i dont know if i can do a IB with FIQ and sound good VS a ported

 

[Megalomaniac 5,000+ posts]

this is going to sound like a dumb Q, but
what is a snake oil ????

i think its another term for "HYPE"

 

[CBFryman2 5,000+ posts]

Snake oil is a traditional Chinese medicine used for joint pain. However, the most common usage of the words is as a derogatory term for compunds offered as medicines which imply they are fake, fraudulent, or ineffective. The expression is also applied metaphorically to any product with exaggerated marketing but questionable or unverifiable quality. In short, it refers to a product sold as one part of a hoax.

Snake Oil.

 

[Megalomaniac 5,000+ posts]

Snake Oil.

soo..pretty much a hype //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/blackeye.gif.66a1670f5aaf7f406e783a63e3387dc5.gif

 

[CBFryman2 5,000+ posts]

The patent keeps people from making them and selling them. It does not stop people from making their own though. The same way all other enclosure theories are out there for people to use and make. I still think it's lame to worry about a patent on it.
As for the listening area only idea... it is VERY possible. Have you built or listened to many horn enclosures? They are very dependent on the listening area. In my car, if the horn is facing the cabin, I get no output at all. Not like attenuated output like you would with a regular sealed or ported enclosure but no sound at all from it. While in my room, different positioning of the sub creates sweet spots in different places. Horns need a place for the reflected waves to load off of and that place changes when you move the listening area or the enclosure. It's pretty neat to experience in person.

Is that a particular cabbin or in all instances. Cancelation is a big issue in the automotive environment so moving stuff will usually give SPL gains. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

I'd like to see some dB Drag style numbers and at the head rest numbers with this phase box. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[CBFryman2 5,000+ posts]

soo..pretty much a hype //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/blackeye.gif.66a1670f5aaf7f406e783a63e3387dc5.gif

It can work good, but isnt nessicarily revolutionary or something worth patenting/hideing from the general audio community. A way to make money. They tell us it works good and put up a video that makes it seem good and people buy it. Marketing. Nothing wrong with it but I need to see real data before I begin to speculate on it's greatness. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[BlackMaxima 10+ year member]

what you guys think on the other box's??

 

[Megalomaniac 5,000+ posts]

It can work good, but isnt nessicarily revolutionary or something worth patenting/hideing from the general audio community. A way to make money. They tell us it works good and put up a video that makes it seem good and people buy it. Marketing. Nothing wrong with it but I need to see real data before I begin to speculate on it's greatness. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

Atleast pete isnt like BOSE marketing

 

[CBFryman2 5,000+ posts]

what you guys think on the other box's??

The over all effectiveness of their "Revolutionary" designes has been called into question before. However I've yet to see a customer who was completely unsatisfied so they have to be doing something right. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

TTB has put up some awsome numbers and made some awsome vehicles. I am by no means calling them a Sham.