Deadening

[x2o 10+ year member]

I know what you mean. Even if an argument could be made for this stuff, advocating paying someone extra to stencil a logo on Peel & Seal completely boggles my mind. I've asked the owner of FatMat, on other forums, to explain how FatMat was different in any way from Peel & Seal (other than the logo) and he refused to answer. You'd think it would be easy enough for a guy who runs a roofing supply business that is authorized to sell Peel & Seal to come up with at least one tiny difference to hang his hat on.

I'm not going to lie, one of the reasons I like FatMat is because of the logo. Plus, for some reason my FatMat didn't smell at all in my car, but a friend of mine put some peel n seal in his car... well, that smelled like tar for weeks. Still has the smell, just not as much. Anytime it gets hot out, it smells. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif.

My fatmat seems to be odorless for some reason? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif. I know it's peel n seal, but I still use it //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif.

 

[Rudy 10+ year member]

I'm not going to lie, one of the reasons I like FatMat is because of the logo. Plus, for some reason my FatMat didn't smell at all in my car, but a friend of mine put some peel n seal in his car... well, that smelled like tar for weeks. Still has the smell, just not as much. Anytime it gets hot out, it smells. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif.
My fatmat seems to be odorless for some reason? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif. I know it's peel n seal, but I still use it //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif.

Odor varies between batches and age of the product. Since these products are intended to be used outside odor isn't a big concern. Asphalt itself is the residue from oil refining so it's not exactly precisely controlled. Luck of the draw.

 

[FoxPro5 5,000+ posts]

My fatmat seems to be odorless for some reason? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif. I know it's peel n seal, but I still use it //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif.

Probably because it's been sitting for so long it's done out-gassing. Which means the adhesive is probably not as good/dried out. Which means it's prone to failure. Which means, if it fails, it's not deadener. Other than FatMat, who wins in this situation? As i see it, no one. The joke is on you. Sorry.

 

[x2o 10+ year member]

Probably because it's been sitting for so long it's done out-gassing. Which means the adhesive is probably not as good/dried out. Which means it's prone to failure. Which means, if it fails, it's not deadener. Other than FatMat, who wins in this situation? As i see it, no one. The joke is on you. Sorry.

Lol, hell of a joke they played on me, mine's actually been sticking for a year with no odor. Aw man, I hate that company... [/sarcasm].

Even if it does end up failing in a few years, $50 for 50 sq ft of deadening for at least 1 year is a sweet deal in my eyes and it's worked out very nicely.

Nice try at making me feel like I lost though. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif.

 

[x2o 10+ year member]

Odor varies between batches and age of the product. Since these products are intended to be used outside odor isn't a big concern. Asphalt itself is the residue from oil refining so it's not exactly precisely controlled. Luck of the draw.

Yay, I love being lucky //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif!

 

[x2o 10+ year member]

For what it's worth, I'm in no way saying FatMat is better then peel & seal, nor am I saying it's better then damplifier, or spectrum, or anything. I personally don't like comparing things when I haven't tried them all out myself, but maybe that's just me. FatMat and Dynamat Xtreme are the only deadener's I've used, well, and peel & seal. But only FatMat went into my car.

 

[williambrea 10+ year member]

This thread is full of fail

 

[x2o 10+ year member]

This thread is full of fail

I'm pretty sure every Deadening/Deadener thread ends up this way //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crap.gif.7f4dd41e3e9b23fbd170a1ee6f65cecc.gif

 

[528hz 10+ year member]

I just got done DP and LLP'ing my car and WOW! This stuff is amazing! This was my very first time I had ever deaden my car, and I'm very pleased with the results!

Here is my log:

http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=390601

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

Even if it does end up failing in a few years, $50 for 50 sq ft of deadening for at least 1 year is a sweet deal in my eyes and it's worked out very nicely.

I think the point they are trying to convey is that regardless of how much or how little it cost you, it's a piss poor deadener either way. $50 for 50sq ft of a piss poor deadener is a piss poor deal no matter which way you slice it, regardless of how long it adhered for. And just being "adhered" to the panel is not an indication of how well the product is currently performing.

 

[x2o 10+ year member]

I think the point they are trying to convey is that regardless of how much or how little it cost you, it's a piss poor deadener either way. $50 for 50sq ft of a piss poor deadener is a piss poor deal no matter which way you slice it, regardless of how long it adhered for. And just being "adhered" to the panel is not an indication of how well the product is currently performing.

I know that... I was never arguing FatMat is a Damplifier Pro alternative.. What I've been saying anytime I speak of fatmat is that it did help with rattles for cheap, which is exactly what I needed done at the time as I had ran out of money after doing the rest of the build and not factoring in one hell of a trunk rattle, lol //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

Check out this:

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:S2juIw9PV88J:www.dynamat.com/download/vss/2656_2002_Ford_F150.pdf+f150+spl+setup&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=10&gl=us&client=firefox-a

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

super unbiased here, but if I said I bought Damp pro and said it didnt work, sux, etc...Nobody would believe me, they would assume user error not bad product..But if I get Edead and it works, Im lucky or I would get bashed?? Sounds like nut-hugging to me...Rep is everything and since somebody made a test 4 years ago using stupid simulations, makes 1 that much better then the other?? I mean who the fawk would go through that much temp change in ur car...I see soooo many blown DD and AQ subs, yet they are a big forum boner...Blown=Failure..

You assume none of us would believe you, or would assume user error. Even with edead, we demand proof. These terrible awful nasty things we often say about eD.... are the proven ones. The screw ups Ben, his company, or his lawyers admitted to publicly. You attempt to undermine the reports against eD while simultaneously attempting to turn all of secondskin's good publicity and reviews into nothing more than bandwagon comments of the ignorant.

You say rep is everything... how do you suppose companies like eD and SS get their reputations? You think they go out to the reputation store and buy the best one they can afford? They earn those reputations. Are people generally more ready to accept eD has marketed another turd of a product than they are a company like secondskin who has no such reputation for poor quality? Obviously. "Reputation" tells us its more likely to get a turd product from eD than from SS. Simple statistics. Can you suggest why people should think differently? Does this mean we would assume the eD product was a turd or the SS product was a winner based on no evidence? No.

You think you labeling the testing methods in the sound deadener showdown as "stupid simulations" makes you look smart. Reality is it shows you're ignorance on the subject, and your willingness to discuss something you are ignorant of. We have discussed the reasoning behind the 400 degree heat temp tests here at least a hundred times before, and iirc even the test itself explains the reasoning. In those tests, heat is a catalyst for time.

As for your example, blown subwoofer can only mean poor manufacturing quality, right? Forget that you just named two of the most popular SPL subs, and thus two of the most abused subs ever made.... you see alot blown so that means they ****.

You scathe the sound deadener showdown in one breath, then scathe people for just buying product based on a bandwagon in the next. You havent fully developed a coherent argument here yet.

You are a very tactile person. Probably too much so, by the sound of it. I cant remember the last time I saw a blown-up Ford Pinto or Gremlin on the side of the road... they must be high quality vehicles. I recommend you buy one.

 

[na_rsx 10+ year member]

You assume none of us would believe you, or would assume user error. Even with edead, we demand proof. These terrible awful nasty things we often say about eD.... are the proven ones. The screw ups Ben, his company, or his lawyers admitted to publicly. You attempt to undermine the reports against eD while simultaneously attempting to turn all of secondskin's good publicity and reviews into nothing more than bandwagon comments of the ignorant.
You say rep is everything... how do you suppose companies like eD and SS get their reputations? You think they go out to the reputation store and buy the best one they can afford? They earn those reputations. Are people generally more ready to accept eD has marketed another turd of a product than they are a company like secondskin who has no such reputation for poor quality? Obviously. "Reputation" tells us its more likely to get a turd product from eD than from SS. Simple statistics. Can you suggest why people should think differently? Does this mean we would assume the eD product was a turd or the SS product was a winner based on no evidence? No.

You think you labeling the testing methods in the sound deadener showdown as "stupid simulations" makes you look smart. Reality is it shows you're ignorance on the subject, and your willingness to discuss something you are ignorant of. We have discussed the reasoning behind the 400 degree heat temp tests here at least a hundred times before, and iirc even the test itself explains the reasoning. In those tests, heat is a catalyst for time.

As for your example, blown subwoofer can only mean poor manufacturing quality, right? Forget that you just named two of the most popular SPL subs, and thus two of the most abused subs ever made.... you see alot blown so that means they ****.

You scathe the sound deadener showdown in one breath, then scathe people for just buying product based on a bandwagon in the next. You havent fully developed a coherent argument here yet.

You are a very tactile person. Probably too much so, by the sound of it. I cant remember the last time I saw a blown-up Ford Pinto or Gremlin on the side of the road... they must be high quality vehicles. I recommend you buy one.

What you need to do is forget about the past and start living in the present, learn to let things go, at the end, Edead is still a very good deadener and best bang for the buck. People talk about quality, when other talk about use. Wow one is heavier, so what, they both do the same thing.

Same thing goes with anything like amps, cars. You just want no one to buy ED products, but there are many that will recommend them no matter what. Also your only valid point is based on some shit that happened a long time ago.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

What you need to do is forget about the past and start living in the present, learn to let things go...

Straight from Ben Milne's lips, no doubt. Yes, of course eD and its followers like you want us.... no, expect us to forget the past. That's because to remember the past is to remember all the lies, all the cheating, all the bullshit and all the crappy products Ben has tried to sell us over the years.

Forget the past? Does that include the most recent past, where many people have reported separation of the mylar, curling of the mat in the corners, even after a few short days on application, on their latest mat?

If we were to forget the past, as you suggest, Ben would probably still be selling eDead v1 nd claiming its butyl rubber based. He'd probably still be advertising those blatantly inflated specs about it. And he'd probably still be claiming its the absolute best mat you can buy... just like he always says about his mat... right up until he changes it yet again when people find out how piss poor it really is.

...Edead is still a very good deadener and best bang for the buck.

In your nut-hugging Ben-man-loving opinion. Duly noted.

People talk about quality, when other talk about use. Wow one is heavier, so what, they both do the same thing.

Was that suppose to make sense? Coherence.... try it some time.

You just want no one to buy ED products, but there are many that will recommend them no matter what.

You imply my replies are based merely on personal bias, yet you cant deny any of the negative facts I present about eD. All you can do is make vague references that Im biased, in an attempt to undermine me personally, because you know you cant undermine my argument.

Also your only valid point is based on some shit that happened a long time ago.

Tell ya what RSX, you get even a little specific and maybe i'll take that accusation seriously. Until then.... it just sound like a fanboi whining.