Deadening

[Rudy 10+ year member]

What you need to do is forget about the past and start living in the present, learn to let things go, at the end, Edead is still a very good deadener and best bang for the buck. People talk about quality, when other talk about use. Wow one is heavier, so what, they both do the same thing.
Same thing goes with anything like amps, cars. You just want no one to buy ED products, but there are many that will recommend them no matter what. Also your only valid point is based on some shit that happened a long time ago.

If you start with the premise that a car is a car and an amp is an amp and what the hell, when you get right down to it, a woman is a woman and food is food, then I guess you could say deadener is deadener. I just don't think too many people are going to accept the basis of your construction. Even if you are willing to dismiss the past when it comes to current performance, the only way to evaluate reliability is over time. Then again, performance is going to be a factor in many people's purchasing decision, so I guess I can't find any logic in your statement at all //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wow.gif.23d729408e9177caa2a0ed6a2ba6588e.gif

 

[Anthony Collova 10+ year member]

Edead is still a very good deadener and best bang for the buck.

Depends on how you evaluate "bang".

If it is price devided by performance, then no. Edead is not the best Bang for your buck..

Wow one is heavier, so what, they both do the same thing.

If this is the case, then why does eD sell 3 types of mats on their site?

Each mat has the same mylar/foil layer. No difference in thickness or strength.

This means that the only difference between each of their sound deadening vibration mats is either weight or thickness, and since adhesive thickness has no effect on vibration damping results, that means product weight is the only difference betweeen the 3 different edead products.

So again I ask you, if there is no difference between a heavier product and a lighter product, why would eD bother selling 3 different vibration mats? Marketing? Sure.. but as bad as their passed is, and as much as they are trying to correct their ways, I can tell you that the difference between edead 40 and edead 120 is quiet substantial in terms of performance.

Take that same logic and apply it to a higher quality adhesive with a thicker and stronger foil constraning layer and you will have a better product.

Then, nail down the viscosity of the butyl and increase the softening point and you get even closer..

I am not sayuing that they heavier product always wins, as that is certainly not the case, but the more material you get in every sq foot, the better the value for sure, as long as performance increases with quantity..

ANT

 

[na_rsx 10+ year member]

Straight from Ben Milne's lips, no doubt. Yes, of course eD and its followers like you want us.... no, expect us to forget the past. That's because to remember the past is to remember all the lies, all the cheating, all the bullshit and all the crappy products Ben has tried to sell us over the years.
Forget the past? Does that include the most recent past, where many people have reported separation of the mylar, curling of the mat in the corners, even after a few short days on application, on their latest mat?

If we were to forget the past, as you suggest, Ben would probably still be selling eDead v1 nd claiming its butyl rubber based. He'd probably still be advertising those blatantly inflated specs about it. And he'd probably still be claiming its the absolute best mat you can buy... just like he always says about his mat... right up until he changes it yet again when people find out how piss poor it really is.

In your nut-hugging Ben-man-loving opinion. Duly noted.

Was that suppose to make sense? Coherence.... try it some time.

You imply my replies are based merely on personal bias, yet you cant deny any of the negative facts I present about eD. All you can do is make vague references that Im biased, in an attempt to undermine me personally, because you know you cant undermine my argument.

Tell ya what RSX, you get even a little specific and maybe i'll take that accusation seriously. Until then.... it just sound like a fanboi whining.

Not whining, just telling it like it is, just like you. If my post is whining or nutugging, then yours is the same too. Either way, we will have different opinions no matter what.

 

[na_rsx 10+ year member]

If you start with the premise that a car is a car and an amp is an amp and what the hell, when you get right down to it, a woman is a woman and food is food, then I guess you could say deadener is deadener. I just don't think too many people are going to accept the basis of your construction. Even if you are willing to dismiss the past when it comes to current performance, the only way to evaluate reliability is over time. Then again, performance is going to be a factor in many people's purchasing decision, so I guess I can't find any logic in your statement at all //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wow.gif.23d729408e9177caa2a0ed6a2ba6588e.gif

True, performance is a factor, hell a main one, as well as price. Thats all I am saying, you are making it seem that i'm implying edead is better than second skin, when in fact i am not. I even stated that Second Skin is the best, not once did i bash it, why cant people get that shit through their heads. Edead is worth it, bottom line.

Depends on how you evaluate "bang".If it is price devided by performance, then no. Edead is not the best Bang for your buck..

If this is the case, then why does eD sell 3 types of mats on their site?

Each mat has the same mylar/foil layer. No difference in thickness or strength.

This means that the only difference between each of their sound deadening vibration mats is either weight or thickness, and since adhesive thickness has no effect on vibration damping results, that means product weight is the only difference betweeen the 3 different edead products.

So again I ask you, if there is no difference between a heavier product and a lighter product, why would eD bother selling 3 different vibration mats? Marketing? Sure.. but as bad as their passed is, and as much as they are trying to correct their ways, I can tell you that the difference between edead 40 and edead 120 is quiet substantial in terms of performance.

Take that same logic and apply it to a higher quality adhesive with a thicker and stronger foil constraning layer and you will have a better product.

Then, nail down the viscosity of the butyl and increase the softening point and you get even closer..

I am not sayuing that they heavier product always wins, as that is certainly not the case, but the more material you get in every sq foot, the better the value for sure, as long as performance increases with quantity..

ANT

Same reason you have 2 types yourself, damplifier and damplifier pro. But my mere fact is that a deadener is a deadener, you can not deny that. I also know that Second Skin is top notch, never said it was not. But people can not count out eDead as a POS deadener.

It does its job like any other product, one will be better in terms of quality and thickness, which is very true. But it will still do the job, which is my point. Also nobody has did a review of eDeads thickest deadener, people only used the v1 which is very old. I have the v1se2 and that stuck amazingly well and is still on 2 years later.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

True, performance is a factor, hell a main one, as well as price. Thats all I am saying, you are making it seem that i'm implying edead is better than second skin, when in fact i am not. I even stated that Second Skin is the best, not once did i bash it, why cant people get that shit through their heads. Edead is worth it, bottom line.

You keep saying its the best bang for your buck, that its "worth it"... yet you offer no facts or even opinions as to why this is. And we both know why... because every time you've tried in the past, you have gone down in flames. So now you have shifted to these vague arguments that dont reflect on any specific situation. No specifics means you dont have to back up your argument with facts... or so you seem to think. Why should we take advice on sound deadener from a person who thinks "deadener is deadener" anyway?

You claim my posts are nut-hugging, just like yours. The main difference between mine and yours, I can and do support my opinion that eD sells substandard products and uses marketing double-speak, and out and out lies, to hide that fact from the average consumer. You just state your opinion, based on no facts, and tell us to forget the previous failures and lies. Maybe you dont know what the term nut-hugger means. I'll explain. When your moustache smells like Ben's testicle sweat, that is nut-hugging. Take a whiff.

 

[na_rsx 10+ year member]

You keep saying its the best bang for your buck, that its "worth it"... yet you offer no facts or even opinions as to why this is. And we both know why... because every time you've tried in the past, you have gone down in flames. So now you have shifted to these vague arguments that dont reflect on any specific situation. No specifics means you dont have to back up your argument with facts... or so you seem to think. Why should we take advice on sound deadener from a person who thinks "deadener is deadener" anyway?
You claim my posts are nut-hugging, just like yours. The main difference between mine and yours, I can and do support my opinion that eD sells substandard products and uses marketing double-speak, and out and out lies, to hide that fact from the average consumer. You just state your opinion, based on no facts, and tell us to forget the previous failures and lies. Maybe you dont know what the term nut-hugger means. I'll explain. When your moustache smells like Ben's testicle sweat, that is nut-hugging. Take a whiff.

My evidence is the v1se2 that is still in my car and has not fallen off. I have never gone down in flames, just gave up arguing with you. If i gave up, will i be in here right now. You go by a product on a company's history, thats your proof. Thats all you can do, is bring up the past and think thats the end. Well its not, and you still cant admit the fact that a deadener is a deadener, you will use whatever tactic you can to validate your post, but at the end of the day, you just sound like a broken record.

And no, people should not take advice from me because I said deadener is a deadener, they should take advice because I have the proof in my car. Thats why, and you claim I am on Ben's nuts, is that the best you got. In all my post not once did I bring up Ben, all I defend is a product, and how they make a good one.

It seems to me that your on his nuts, and you sound gay always bringing up his junk in every post to bash ED.

 

[Rudy 10+ year member]

My evidence is the v1se2 that is still in my car and has not fallen off. I have never gone down in flames, just gave up arguing with you. If i gave up, will i be in here right now. You go by a product on a company's history, thats your proof. Thats all you can do, is bring up the past and think thats the end. Well its not, and you still cant admit the fact that a deadener is a deadener, you will use whatever tactic you can to validate your post, but at the end of the day, you just sound like a broken record.
And no, people should not take advice from me because I said deadener is a deadener, they should take advice because I have the proof in my car. Thats why, and you claim I am on Ben's nuts, is that the best you got. In all my post not once did I bring up Ben, all I defend is a product, and how they make a good one.

It seems to me that your on his nuts, and you sound gay always bringing up his junk in every post to bash ED.

Not falling off is a pretty low standard. Do you understand that it is supposed to serve a purpose while it doesn't fall off? If product A costs $1/unit and product B costs $3/unit but you need 6 units of product A to do the same job as 1 unit of product B, product A is twice as expensive to use as product B. Pretty simple.

 

[FoxPro5 5,000+ posts]

But my mere fact is that a deadener is a deadener, you can not deny that.

I can. I can factually state the differences.

And you can easily cut through your ramblings by defining for us what "deadener" is.

So, if it's a fact, it deserves proof. Prove it.

 

[na_rsx 10+ year member]

Not falling off is a pretty low standard. Do you understand that it is supposed to serve a purpose while it doesn't fall off? If product A costs $1/unit and product B costs $3/unit but you need 6 units of product A to do the same job as 1 unit of product B, product A is twice as expensive to use as product B. Pretty simple.

Oh trust me, it does what its suppose to do, my doors are solid as hell, and all i have is 1 layer of V1SE2 and a layer of v3 on the doors. The hatch just V1SE2 and it made a huge difference, I hardly have any rattles, only the noise of the windshield wiper flapping.

And your point is valid, but who said you needed 6 units of product A to get the result of product B? Also in your review, what version of damplifier did you use, the regular or pro? And what eDead version did you try?

 

[na_rsx 10+ year member]

I can. I can factually state the differences.
And you can easily cut through your ramblings by defining for us what "deadener" is.

So, if it's a fact, it deserves proof. Prove it.

Want me to make a video of my car, I can do the door knock test on my car, and another RSX that has no deadening. Will that be enough proof for you?

 

[Rudy 10+ year member]

Oh trust me, it does what its suppose to do, my doors are solid as hell, and all i have is 1 layer of V1SE2 and a layer of v3 on the doors. The hatch just V1SE2 and it made a huge difference, I hardly have any rattles, only the noise of the windshield wiper flapping.
And your point is valid, but who said you needed 6 units of product A to get the result of product B? Also in your review, what version of damplifier did you use, the regular or pro? And what eDead version did you try?

The knock test is a reasonable way to find resonant areas but it isn't an end in itself. The fact that you had to use both mat and liquid is proof enough that the mat alone wasn't very effective and any demonstration you might do won't prove anything about either product used alone. I've "tried" Damplifier, Damplifier Pro, eDead v1, eDead v1SE, eDead v1², eDead v1SE² and eDead UE from those two product families as well as Hushmat, Cascade VMAX, RAAMmat, Dynamat Original and Xtreme, B-Quiet Ultimate and Extreme, Brown Bread, Sound Destroyer, Power Mat, FatMat, Peel & Seal and I'm sure a few that I'm forgetting.

I've arrived at the 6:1 ratio comparing eDead v1SE² to Dynamat Xtreme, using two separate methods. I'm pretty convinced it's close to right. I'd love to see results that show why it isn't. Knocking on a door doesn't come close.

 

[jdubbau 10+ year member]

I used 1 layer of EDEAD liquid and 1 layer of edead 80 sheets. I only used it on the back hatch area of suv, front doors, and ceiling and it worked perfect and was way under what i WANTED TO SPEND. Solid product and Solid price that worked perfect for me.

I have heard the DAMP pro stuff is top of the line but it does have a high price tag. I agree though less work is worth more money sometimes as no matter how you do it if you DIY its gonna take a lot of time and work.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

My evidence is the v1se2 that is still in my car and has not fallen off. I have never gone down in flames, just gave up arguing with you. If i gave up, will i be in here right now. You go by a product on a company's history, thats your proof. Thats all you can do, is bring up the past and think thats the end. Well its not, and you still cant admit the fact that a deadener is a deadener, you will use whatever tactic you can to validate your post, but at the end of the day, you just sound like a broken record.
And no, people should not take advice from me because I said deadener is a deadener, they should take advice because I have the proof in my car. Thats why, and you claim I am on Ben's nuts, is that the best you got. In all my post not once did I bring up Ben, all I defend is a product, and how they make a good one.

It seems to me that your on his nuts, and you sound gay always bringing up his junk in every post to bash ED.

you act as if we have not discussed before the fact that one testimonial of successful adhesion does not ddress the issue of consistnt quality. you know many many people gave testimonials of failure of that mat, and others from eD, yet you refse to acknowledge those when discussing the apparent success of your mat. At this point I guess I have no choice but to assume Im talking over your head when I mention eD's poor quality control and apparent consistency of their product, and hope that one day your mind expands enough to grasp such a concept.

My proof is company history? Wouldnt that be convenient for you, if that was all i had. But unfortunately for your short sighted argument, i rely on scientific and unbiased testing and comparisons such as sound deadener showdown, specific detail about the product such as constraining layer material and thickness, and expert knowledge of the subject form a learned perspctive from someone like foxpro, whom so far as i know is not affiliated with any of the companies in question.

Finally, yes *gasp* I do also look at the history when predicting the future. Are you suggesting you do not? I guess you dont believe in statistics. I guess you think that just because Ben has shown a propensity to sell inferior product at inflated prices, and get away with it by lying to us many times in the past, that we should assume a clean slate each and every time we decide to make a purchase from his company. Right? You fail to even make any sense anymore. I think ICIX is rotting your brain.

If you do not look at the past to predict the future, how would you know that putting a loaded gun to your head and pulling the trigger would kill you? Personal experience alone? Try it, then.

 

[FoxPro5 5,000+ posts]

Want me to make a video of my car, I can do the door knock test on my car, and another RSX that has no deadening. Will that be enough proof for you?

Invalid anecdotal evidence all car audio forums....especially ca.com because of the demographic....are rife with. We need less of your "proof" and more real science if we're ever going to substantiate the "deadener is deadener" claim you're making.

Kudos to Don S for all his hard work...it seems we're right on track. Now if we can only get that new SDS. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Don is da man.