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[RobGMN Premium Member]

I just hope that when this is all over we will be better off than the last 4 years, be energy independent, not be at war, have lower cost of goods, get along with Democrats and so on.

With the price of gas and groceries going up already, it seems he is not much into keeping promises.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

With the price of gas and groceries going up already, it seems he is not much into keeping promises.

It's day number 4. The prices are doing the same as they did under Biden. Relax Rob.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

It's day number 4. The prices are doing the same as they did under Biden. Relax Rob.

Hmmm, you said the president sets the prices, and even made predictions in the past that Biden would bump the price of gas at specific intervals.
If that's the case, why can't Trump do the same? Just set the price of gas to $2, like all his followers claim he did for his presidency.

Or is the story different now that he actually has to live up to the claims?

Ona nother note, Christian Conservatives being good Christians:

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Hmmm, you said the president sets the prices, and even made predictions in the past that Biden would bump the price of gas at specific intervals.
If that's the case, why can't Trump do the same? Just set the price of gas to $2, like all his followers claim he did for his presidency.

Or is the story different now that he actually has to live up to the claims?

Ona nother note, Christian Conservatives being good Christians:
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No I didn't. You're lying again. I said through direct and indirect actions. Why do you lie just to argue? It's day number 4. Your President has a lot on his plate and has done a lot already. Seriously, take a Xanax.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

No I didn't. You're lying again. I said through direct and indirect actions. Why do you lie just to argue? It's day number 4. Your President has a lot on his plate and has done a lot already. Seriously, take a Xanax.

Do you have a bad memory, or do you lie so much that you actually believe the lies?
If a POTUS can affect prices DIRECTLY (as you said in a post below), that means he can take an action that will immediately move the price in a direction of his choice.
If I own a retail store, I can affect the product prices DIRECTLY. Change them by the hour, if I wish. That is what "DIRECT" control is.
"He made them go up" was one of your claims, also.

You also spoke on "Biden controlling oil prices" in another post.

In yet another you said that since we are not in OPEC, we set our own production and supply (which means we set our own prices).

Did you not mean any of that stuff, or did you now change your stance since Trump is being tasked with doing what you claimed Biden could do?
I want that $1.73 per gallon gas that we had from 2017-2020.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Trump could solve world hunger and be vilified for it...

They fvcked him out the Nobel Peace Prize for the Abraham Accords. Any other world leader would have gotten the NPP for that minor miracle. I look forward to Trump’s continued work I the Middle East.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

You're spinning off into a false dichotomy.

You said the lack of fire breaks is what made this fire so bad, and that Newsom failed by not having enough fire breaks. Professionals have said that firebreaks as wide as a 10-lane highway would not have helped IN THIS FIRE.

If you're engaging any of your brain cells, how do you come to the conclusion that CA shouldn't clear brush? Are you one of the guys who says that since a person died in a car accident while wearing a seatbelt (or maybe even trapped by one) that nobody should wear seatbelts?

The "loony libs" that are paying the bills for the "welfare conservatives".

So, what did the Republican governor prior to Newsom do that was such a great boost to the ability of California cities to fight wildfires, aside from his failing to prevent over 3,000,000 acres from burning, over 6,000 structures from being destroyed, and ~50 people being killed by wildfires?

I did not say the lack of fire breaks made this fire so bad. You're just creating a strawman to kick around. What is indisputable is Newsom increased spending, hired more people and despite that didn't clear brush and didn't build fire breaks. Why you are unable and unwilling to acknowledge this massive "oversight" on the part of Newsom & Cali's gov't is beyond me.

OTOH, the Getty Villa did clear brush and is still standing dispite being surrounded by what you claim is an unstoppable fire.

Is it really too much to ask that the gov't of the tinder box that is California take measures to prevent disasters like this? Cali spends billions to fix problems only to make them worse. Why do liberals refuse to hold the people they elect accountable?

 

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[ThxOne Premium Member]

Do you have a bad memory, or do you lie so much that you actually believe the lies?
If a POTUS can affect prices DIRECTLY (as you said in a post below), that means he can take an action that will immediately move the price in a direction of his choice.
If I own a retail store, I can affect the product prices DIRECTLY. Change them by the hour, if I wish. That is what "DIRECT" control is.
"He made them go up" was one of your claims, also.

You also spoke on "Biden controlling oil prices" in another post.

In yet another you said that since we are not in OPEC, we set our own production and supply (which means we set our own prices).

Did you not mean any of that stuff, or did you now change your stance since Trump is being tasked with doing what you claimed Biden could do?
I want that $1.73 per gallon gas that we had from 2017-2020.



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You already proved you don't comprehend most things, least of all my post, so you really should stop quoting them. Gas prices at the pump and oil prices per barrel are not the same thing. Oil and gasoline are not the same.

Direct action doesn't always mean by first hand physical actions. Especially by the President. He does not work at a gas station.

This is another situation where I make a statement (Direct and indirect actions) and YOU don't follow that belief so you act like it isn't truth or factual and you ignore it until you quote it to argue about it out of ignorance.

Then you make this ignorant statement...

"If a POTUS can affect prices DIRECTLY (as you said in a post below), that means he can take an action that will immediately move the price in a direction of his choice." - RobGMN

The moment you said "that means" is when you should shut the hell up. Why? Because this is how you see things. To you, the only way things works is how YOU see them in your head. The POTUS doesn't flip a gas price switch to clarify for you. He can say something to an oil producing country that will cause them to do whatever they do to raise or lower the cost of gas down the line. Produce more or less oil. (Direct Action).

He can make decisions here on our soil that can affect the price of oil as well without speaking directly to these oil producing countries. (Indirect Actions). I am guessing you think these are myths made up to make Biden look bad huh? Either way, it can take weeks for the prices to adjust at the pump

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

I did not say the lack of fire breaks made this fire so bad. You're just creating a strawman to kick around. What is indisputable is Newsom increased spending, hired more people and despite that didn't clear brush and didn't build fire breaks. Why you are unable and unwilling to acknowledge this massive "oversight" on the part of Newsom & Cali's gov't is beyond me.

You've brought up fire breaks multipole times in the discussion and your explanation of how Newsom is at fault for this recent set of fires. You then call the issue of a fire breaks a strawman, meaning it has no relevance to the discussion.
You then bring up fire breaks AGAIN after calling them a strawman yourself: "didn't clear brush and didn't build fire breaks" as a "massive oversight" in the context of these fires. This, despite a fire chief saying that even fire breaks as wide as a 10-lane highway wouldn't have made a difference.

If the fire breaks are just a strawman, STOP BRINGING THEM UP. Stop being like Trump, Musk, and any other idiot who makes shit up in order to blame a Democrat. Talk about the actual things that matter in the context of these fires, and why they were so devastating.

OTOH, the Getty Villa did clear brush and is still standing dispite being surrounded by what you claim is an unstoppable fire.

You're talking about a privately owned and maintained property. They handled their own brush, they have their own water supply, the building is not a typical stick-framed house, they had staff remain on-site to wet down the property and fight any fire that broke out.

Is it really too much to ask that the gov't of the tinder box that is California take measures to prevent disasters like this? Cali spends billions to fix problems only to make them worse. Why do liberals refuse to hold the people they elect accountable?

Good question. Are you going to speak to what happened under the Republican administration prior to Newsom, or do conservatives not want to hold the people they elect accountable?

But, we've already seen proof that they took measures in California starting from the day Newsom was elected.
Increases in workers, increases in equipment, increases in prescribed burns, improvements and increases in hardware and equipment, etc.
It seems you are suggesting that they just poured money into a fund that never got used, or went to fire prevention personnel who just sat home and ate bon bons for the past 5-6 years.
I'll bet those folks would be happy to know that they are considered useless drags getting a free paycheck.

Here's the great Republican who is doing as much as he can to help with the problem.
Cool. So we blame Trump directly for the next fire that happens.
Accountability. Right?

 

[Eggs 5,000+ posts]

 

[Eggs 5,000+ posts]

They better get forklift certs to move them pallets of spaghetti sauce

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Stop being like Trump, Musk, and any other idiot who makes shit up in order to blame a Democrat. Talk about the actual things that matter..

You do realize you just posted this hypocrisy for all the world to see right?

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

You've brought up fire breaks multipole times in the discussion and your explanation of how Newsom is at fault for this recent set of fires. You then call the issue of a fire breaks a strawman, meaning it has no relevance to the discussion.
You then bring up fire breaks AGAIN after calling them a strawman yourself: "didn't clear brush and didn't build fire breaks" as a "massive oversight" in the context of these fires. This, despite a fire chief saying that even fire breaks as wide as a 10-lane highway wouldn't have made a difference.

If the fire breaks are just a strawman, STOP BRINGING THEM UP. Stop being like Trump, Musk, and any other idiot who makes shit up in order to blame a Democrat. Talk about the actual things that matter in the context of these fires, and why they were so devastating.


You're talking about a privately owned and maintained property. They handled their own brush, they have their own water supply, the building is not a typical stick-framed house, they had staff remain on-site to wet down the property and fight any fire that broke out.


Good question. Are you going to speak to what happened under the Republican administration prior to Newsom, or do conservatives not want to hold the people they elect accountable?

But, we've already seen proof that they took measures in California starting from the day Newsom was elected.
Increases in workers, increases in equipment, increases in prescribed burns, improvements and increases in hardware and equipment, etc.
It seems you are suggesting that they just poured money into a fund that never got used, or went to fire prevention personnel who just sat home and ate bon bons for the past 5-6 years.
I'll bet those folks would be happy to know that they are considered useless drags getting a free paycheck.

Here's the great Republican who is doing as much as he can to help with the problem.
Cool. So we blame Trump directly for the next fire that happens.
Accountability. Right?
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Now you're going tell me what I can or can't bring up - again. Interesting approach to debate. When have I blamed lack of fire breaks on the fire?

The lack of firebreaks & brush clearing demonstrates mismanagement & dereliction of duty. I'm sure you don't want to see these facts because the are indeed undeniable proof that Newsom & Co are terrible at their jobs. And it would be nice if they could have blamed it on lack of funding or inability to fill positions, but they don't have that excuse. They spent money & hired people only to still fail to do their job. Once again given Cali's history of fires, why the **** don't they clear brush and build fire breaks?

"Lucky" for me that same type of mismanagement has infected Colorado's gov't and we cut down all the beetle kill in the forests and then left it there in piles. And when our forests go up, some looney liberal will say, "look the increased the budget, they cut down the beetle kill..."