Critical Mass UL12's

[kmanian 5,000+ posts]

no, put i did stay at a holiday inn recently.......


and i brought my laptop........

and it had LEAP installed.......

and i pluged in the Fs, Qts and assumed Sd TPS's on the cm webiste into LEAP.......

and i made a ball part guess for the moving mass based on my experience measuring woofers........

and i made another ballpark guess for the Qms........

...... and got 83.5dB at 1 watt.

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Do you have yours in a sealed box?

if you want I can send you the spec cheet on the UL12 and you can do your thing without having to guess.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

I have bought brand new UL's for as little as $450 and used for as much as $700
any way it goes the retail is rediculous, but the real market price really isn't that bad. Even at a grand each, they are by far the nicest sounding sub I have heard to date and they get really loud doing it, instead of farting under power. If you know what I mean.

Then you have an inside that most people dont. I doubt dealer cost is even as low as $450. And at that $1000, I could name a dozen subs off the top of my head that a pair of could be purchased for as much, or less, that would out perform the UL considerably.
UL's are nice and all that, but they certainly exceed the point of diminishing returns on investment. When talking about the speaker's normal price, not a special deal someone got once.

 

[Kyle_Keating 10+ year member]

ok I am an idiot
what the hell is ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emoticon

 

[kmanian 5,000+ posts]

Then you have an inside that most people dont. I doubt dealer cost is even as low as $450. And at that $1000, I could name a dozen subs off the top of my head that a pair of could be purchased for as much, or less, that would out perform the UL considerably.
UL's are nice and all that, but they certainly exceed the point of diminishing returns on investment. When talking about the speaker's normal price, not a special deal someone got once.

name them

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

name them

RE XXX (05 or older)Brahma

JBL Gti

IDMax

SDX

Oz ME's

... that's six and Im bored, need I continue? Or, are you suggesting a UL will deliver more than twice the performance of these drivers (or virtually any 'super sub')? Because that's what they cost.

 

[Beerdrnkr 5,000+ posts]

RE XXX (05 or older)Brahma

JBL Gti

IDMax

SDX

Oz ME's

... that's six and Im bored, need I continue? Or, are you suggesting a UL will deliver more than twice the performance of these drivers (or virtually any 'super sub')? Because that's what they cost.

If space is an issue the UL might be the way to go. Big power in a small package would be worth it for some people.

 

[kmanian 5,000+ posts]

RE XXX (05 or older)Brahma

JBL Gti

IDMax

SDX

Oz ME's

... that's six and Im bored, need I continue? Or, are you suggesting a UL will deliver more than twice the performance of these drivers (or virtually any 'super sub')? Because that's what they cost.

I never said it had twice the performance, I do say that in comp. a lambo doesn't have twice the perf. of a mustang, they are both fast, and both are nice cars, but the lambo simply does it better.

and which of those can you put 2500 real watts to continuously in a box that is less than .75^', hell for that matter 1.0^' while still reaching down below 30 hz.

So stop with the I'm getting bored crap. have you ever owned a ul12? or for that matter even listened to one?

 

[rc10mike 10+ year member]

Wow, I guess me and kmanian are the only ones that ACTUALLY used them

 

[Hintzyboy 5,000+ posts]

Wow, I guess me and kmanian are the only ones that ACTUALLY used them

If you want to send me one, I will gladly give it a fair, unbiased review

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

I never said it had twice the performance, I do say that in comp. a lambo doesn't have twice the perf. of a mustang, they are both fast, and both are nice cars, but the lambo simply does it better.
and which of those can you put 2500 real watts to continuously in a box that is less than .75^', hell for that matter 1.0^' while still reaching down below 30 hz.

So stop with the I'm getting bored crap. have you ever owned a ul12? or for that matter even listened to one?

Yes, because unless Ive ever owned one, I cant speak about them... unless its positive, right?
The sub isn't a practical purchase, much like your lambo example. Unlike the supercar example however, you can run two mustangs at the same time when we leave the discussion at subwoofers, where it belongs.

Im sorry that me explaining your sub of choice has a down side obviously pisses you off. Luckily Im not here to make friends with you.

Yes, Ive heard a UL. Yes, they are nice. No, you still wont find me jumping on the 'omg they are the best!!!' bandwagon. If I was exceedingly wealthy to the point I could justify paying an extravagant amount of money for limited gains (assuming Im wanting to run a sealed system only, and space is precious, or else the UL wouldn't even be considered under any circumstances), sure Id consider the UL. Id also consider buying an Escalade and then running an LMS Ultra, an array of Velodyne servo drives (superior to your precious UL in SQ btw), platinum plated Phoenix Gold Cyclones or some other such monetary nightmare. But most of us living in the practical world dont need to spend twice the money for limited performance gains (again, if any, depending on the situation).

You have/own/drool over very nice subs, if that mkaes you feel any better. But with that said, they simply aren't practical when considering the price tag. That is of course unless you MUST run sealed, MUST use .75 cubes or less, and MUST use 2500 watts. If all those stars align properly, and you are a wealthy person, then sure, knock yourself out. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

 

[J31Rob 5,000+ posts]

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[rc10mike 10+ year member]

Yes, because unless Ive ever owned one, I cant speak about them... unless its positive, right?
The sub isn't a practical purchase, much like your lambo example. Unlike the supercar example however, you can run two mustangs at the same time when we leave the discussion at subwoofers, where it belongs.

Im sorry that me explaining your sub of choice has a down side obviously pisses you off. Luckily Im not here to make friends with you.

Yes, Ive heard a UL. Yes, they are nice. No, you still wont find me jumping on the 'omg they are the best!!!' bandwagon. If I was exceedingly wealthy to the point I could justify paying an extravagant amount of money for limited gains (assuming Im wanting to run a sealed system only, and space is precious, or else the UL wouldn't even be considered under any circumstances), sure Id consider the UL. Id also consider buying an Escalade and then running an LMS Ultra, an array of Velodyne servo drives (superior to your precious UL in SQ btw), platinum plated Phoenix Gold Cyclones or some other such monetary nightmare. But most of us living in the practical world dont need to spend twice the money for limited performance gains (again, if any, depending on the situation).

You have/own/drool over very nice subs, if that mkaes you feel any better. But with that said, they simply aren't practical when considering the price tag. That is of course unless you MUST run sealed, MUST use .75 cubes or less, and MUST use 2500 watts. If all those stars align properly, and you are a wealthy person, then sure, knock yourself out. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

You can run up to 1.5 cubes...

Wealthy, not me Im in the military...

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

You can run up to 1.5 cubes...
Wealthy, not me Im in the military...

If you can run that large of an enclosure, and you aren't wealthy, there were subs with better cost/performance ratio's you could have chosen. That's my point. The only people that should piss off are the ones who have purchased said speaker, and are now trying to justify it to themselves. Every speaker has down sides to it (and not just the price). Some people just dont like hearing about the bad things when they have invested so much money in their speaker(s). I mean, who wants to have someone bad mouth their "Lamborghini speakers", right? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif
I own many many impractical things. At least I know they weren't practical purchases. And yes, if I were so inclined, I could afford to run UL's in every one of my vehicles if I wanted.

 

[rc10mike 10+ year member]

I dont really care about cost, thats my whole point.

 

[kmanian 5,000+ posts]

Yes, because unless Ive ever owned one, I cant speak about them... unless its positive, right?
The sub isn't a practical purchase, much like your lambo example. Unlike the supercar example however, you can run two mustangs at the same time when we leave the discussion at subwoofers, where it belongs.

Im sorry that me explaining your sub of choice has a down side obviously pisses you off. Luckily Im not here to make friends with you.

Yes, Ive heard a UL. Yes, they are nice. No, you still wont find me jumping on the 'omg they are the best!!!' bandwagon. If I was exceedingly wealthy to the point I could justify paying an extravagant amount of money for limited gains (assuming Im wanting to run a sealed system only, and space is precious, or else the UL wouldn't even be considered under any circumstances), sure Id consider the UL. Id also consider buying an Escalade and then running an LMS Ultra, an array of Velodyne servo drives (superior to your precious UL in SQ btw), platinum plated Phoenix Gold Cyclones or some other such monetary nightmare. But most of us living in the practical world dont need to spend twice the money for limited performance gains (again, if any, depending on the situation).

You have/own/drool over very nice subs, if that mkaes you feel any better. But with that said, they simply aren't practical when considering the price tag. That is of course unless you MUST run sealed, MUST use .75 cubes or less, and MUST use 2500 watts. If all those stars align properly, and you are a wealthy person, then sure, knock yourself out. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

I am in no way pissed off, infact it isn't my sub of choice, I am infact running a Sundown nightshade 15, and how much money I have or don't have, has nothing to do with it! It seams that as there are forum boners, Critical mass is the forum ANTI-boner. I have yet to audition a sub that out perform the UL (SQ + SPL average) period. maybe one day I will, but until then it is the top dog, I just wish they made a 15" then I could say it is my sub of choice.