i got next...
but i'll let this do my talking...
these subs sound sweet..they both keep up quite well with very little overhang. they are fun to watch and nice to listen too.
as to which has better sq..it's definitely a draw...u won't be disappointed with either one.
as to which plays lower, in this application, the rl-p wins hands down. my wife's exact words," it's (the xxx) doesn't go as low. the seats don't shake as much"....that was the opinion expressed by all three of us. so the rl-p wins here.
spl...while i don't have a meter...they were very close here. my wife couldn't tell a difference while ryan and myself both thought the xxx was louder as it went up in the frequencies. the xxx wins here, but not by much..of course a mic would be needed to tell the whole truth.
hmmmmmmm...seems as though i thought the xxx was louder, while the rl-p played lower and the sq was better even........misleading yet??
overall...it's a tossup. the lighter weight of the rl-p makes it easier to handle and it does play lower in this application. the xxx, due to power rating, should have the potential to get uite a bit louder and in this case seemed to be louder with the power on hand. the xxx might just need a bigger box in this case even though re recommends .8ft^3. it just doesn't reach real low sealed, even in 1.25ft^3.
yep...seems like i thought the xxx would have the potential to be quite a bit louder ( due to power rating) and a bigger box...definitely misleading....
if i had to pick a winner, it would be the rl-p. price, easier to handle and sq bieng a touch better due to the fact that it does play lower gives it the edge..in this application. more room, more power, the xxx is definitely a contender
well, i don't believe i picked the rl-p because it got louder...really misleading now...seems as though i considered quite a few things...not just spl...
all in all..both are excellent subs....budget and space are going to be the biggest considerations...lower budget or tighter confines..take the rl-p
little more money, more room and more power..take the xxx
yep...that looks famaliar...
btw, if someone wants to send me an amp that produces 1500 wrms or so at one ohm, i'd be more then happy to use it in both the ported box and sealed box applications. my 1500d does it at 2 ohm.....so i'm out..
hmmm...i was asking for morepower to make the re fans happy...
but to be fair to the fans of the xxx..i will be doing a vented test with 750wrms..and if my trade goes thru, a vented and sealed test at 1200...
the vented box will be built according to re specs.....i just don't want anyone saying that the enclosure isn't right...i'm going by re specs because they built the sub.
what's this?? a trade?? for more power?? and a new box??
also, i still don't believe doubling it's power would've helped in the lower freq's, which is where it lost to the rl-p...it didn't seem to suffer from 750wrms anywhere else, in fact it plays quite loud, every bit as loud, if not a lil louder, then the rl-p
the re guys never got this point...except on the low end, the xxx did great with 750wrms and 1.25ft^3..and was louder...
anyway..i just picked up a orion 2400d..so i can do 1200 @ 4 and 2400 @1
and it will be done...lol..both vented and sealed,,both subs..
uhoh..yep, it's a 2500d... and yep....
at 750 wrms, these subs are really close in this box. both get low, but not real loud. both move quite a bit and sound really nice at low to mid volumes. both produce a hollow noise at upper volumes...almost like they were both bottoming out. but i don't think they are...
what got me was there was no clear difference in output between the two. the xxx appeared teh louder of the two sealed, yet didn't seem to gain anything in this box. the rl-p wasn't far behind sealed, but is dead even ported. in reality, neither one was impressive with their output. i was kinda disappointed, but tuning and vehicle probably have more to do with this then anything.
sq wise, IMO, the rl-p is still the better sounding of the two. double kicks are crisper and the transistions were seamless. both subs exhibit very little overhang and keep up with the music effortlessly. the xxx does keep up in the rumble catagory this time! both subs could reach the lowlows, there was no distinct difference as in the sealed box.
again, both subs seemed to handle the power fine, but i'm not for sure what was causing the hollow sound. it could just be that the subs are reproducing the kick sound in the kick drum more accurately then i'm used too..lol...
again, i think the output of both subs kinda got me. they just seemed to be boring. nothing impressive, just there. i mean both were loud, but sealed box loud..again, i guess tuning had alot to do with that.
i don't think either sub really like this box. it just made both subs fall flat at the top. i don't know, but the two tens that are normally in there off that same power crush both of these subs output wise in this box. maybe it's the vehicle's transeit response, the tens are tuned to 38hz. either way...i think i'm building a different box..lol...and doing this again.
if i were to choose..i'd flip a coin. for while i think the rl-p is crisper, the xxx sounds just as good. but both subs disappointed in the output part.
yep..definitely misleading..i mean i say both subs sucked in this box...
same vehicle, same power (750wrms,still gotta run wire for the orion) same box ONLY i've slugged it to around 1.9ft^3 tuned to 34 hz and i must say WOW!
both subs love this box...both subs get loud(er) and i didn't really notice any loss on the bottom end.
the noises i heard, i've determined to just be the subs actually reproducing the kick in the kick drum. i stuck my ear up next to both and i heard the exact same "noise"..lol...
they are both extremely accurate subs....i can't wait to throw more power at them as they still aren't quite loud enough for me.
getting warmer..but hey, neither was loud enough...
where do i start? with the smaller, tuned higher box, both subs just sing. loud and low...it's almost a dead heat..except..
to me the rl-p is cleaner. each note is crisper, regardless of volume. it just stays clean, low and loud.
the xxx is the louder of the two. it tends to blend notes together, but makes up for it with good lows and great output.
one of my favorite tracks to play is Europe's "It's the final countdown"..the intro is kewl as hell...both subs shook the hell outa the truck...same with outkast's speakerboxx album intro..gets low and has some serious kickdrum type bass. both subs just knocked the hell outa me..lol...
in the end only a couple of things seperate these subs.
space. the rl-p is definitely the sub to get if space is at a premium. it can reproduce lows in sealed enviroments that the xxx just can't reach. space isn't a problem? get the xxx.
power. under 1000wrms, the rl-p is the better sub. over 1000wrms, i'd suggest the xxx. not that the rl-p had any trouble with 1200wrms, but it would have preferred it in a sealed box, or even smaller ported one. the xxx took a licking and kept on tickin..i'm going to throw the 2500wrms at it tomorrow.
budget. the rl-p is definitely the better bang for the buck. all the sq of the xxx and most of it's output. plus, it works great with less power and smaller enclosures...so all around it cna save u money.
overall, here are my final impressions...
xxx:
if money, space and power isn't a problem. this is a great subwoofer. it has the sq of the rl-p with the output of a spl sub. it can take gobs of power and sounds good doing it. it does want large sealed boxes and ported ones to get real low, but in the right box, with the right power, it does indeed get low and loud. it is a lil more picky concerning enclosures and it does like power. but it does indeed do a fine job with half it's rms..it just needs a larger box to do what it can do.
rl-p:
if space, power and money is at a premium, definitely this is the sub to buy. it does great in a variety of enclosures from small sealed to medium ported. gets low in all of them..real low. gets loud too, not quite the spl machine the xxx is, but it can hold it's own with the right box. it can take more then rated power wise, but i don't think it can compete overall with the xxx in that catagory. this its the better sounding of the two,IMO. the bass was crisper throughout the volume knob. it's a great sub at a great price.
now for those who don't want to read all of it..i stated the xxx had the sq of the rl-p with the added benefit of getting loud like an spl sub....and then went on to say the rl-p sounded better but couldn't keep upin the power department and wasn't the spl machine the xxx was....
SO JUST WHAT THE HELL WAS SO MISLEADING????
let's not forget i suggested the rl-p for under 1k and the xxx for over 1k....
but yeah, i'm misleading ppl....
sorry for the long *** post..but ya know, i did everything i could to make my comparision a good one. i'm not about to let a person come along and bash that by saying i mislead ppl, especially when he did nothing like i did, nothing....(hell, i even apologized to dave for my remarks after i cooled down)
i'm done with this thread....and with ls1pimp...he's retarded, period. audioholic, i still have nothing but respect for you. now if ppl still don't get the deal..fu(k 'em...
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