box broke wtf

[TubeSockTitties]

look at pioneer saturns boxs. look awesome and perform awesome because he builds them so sturdy, WITH SCREWS! lol

That dood is tha masta box builder

 

[basscort2009 5,000+ posts]

That dood is tha masta box builder

werd

 

[James Bang 5,000+ posts]

So wood glue will create a bond with a higher breaking point than the wood itself, but you think screws will help all that much?

The wood will break itself before before the bonded joints will when using wood glue. Screws are at the joints...

 

[basscort2009 5,000+ posts]

So wood glue will create a bond with a higher breaking point than the wood itself, but you think screws will help that much?

glue dries hard. is it easier to break a stick or a peice of rubber? the glue will crack and box will fall apart if the bond isnt securely held together by screws.

 

[James Bang 5,000+ posts]

glue dries hard. is it easier to break a stick or a peice of rubber? the glue will crack and box will fall apart if the bond isnt securely held together by screws.

you have lot of learning to do young grasshopper.

 

[WOT]

I hear all this mumbo jumbo about glue being so strong that the wood would break first. But I dont think I believe it, nor would I ever trust it for a decent power setup.

When I pulled apart my last wall, which was glued with titebond and drywall screws, when I hit my back panel with a 3lb sledge right in the center of a 37"wide 32" tall piece, it gave way at the glued joints first, the wood didnt break (3/4")

So that kind of breaks that theory for me, I go by real world situations, I dont read books

 

[Vermithrax 10+ year member]

I hear all this mumbo jumbo about glue being so strong that the wood would break first. But I dont think I believe it, nor would I ever trust it for a decent power setup.
When I pulled apart my last wall, which was glued with titebond and drywall screws, when I hit my back panel with a 3lb sledge right in the center of a 37"wide 32" tall piece, it gave way at the glued joints first, the wood didnt break (3/4")

So that kind of breaks that theory for me, I go by real world situations, I dont read books

And there's a possible real-world situation that when you put the screws in, you torqued them down so tight that it ended up squeezing the majority of the glue out of the joint, thereby effectively rendering the joint weak due to lack of glue. The only stregnth you had was the screws, the little glue that remained only served to provide a seal. A properly applied glue joint depends on an adequate amount of glue remaining in the joint. If the wood didn't break then you probably didn't leave enough glue in the joint to do the job for which it's designed.

 

[basscort2009 5,000+ posts]

And there's a possible real-world situation that when you put the screws in, you torqued them down so tight that it ended up squeezing the majority of the glue out of the joint, thereby effectively rendering the joint weak due to lack of glue. The only stregnth you had was the screws, the little glue that remained only served to provide a seal. A properly applied glue joint depends on an adequate amount of glue remaining in the joint. If the wood didn't break then you probably didn't leave enough glue in the joint to do the job for which it's designed.

yea thats what happened //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

 

[ramos 5,000+ posts]

And there's a possible real-world situation that when you put the screws in, you torqued them down so tight that it ended up squeezing the majority of the glue out of the joint, thereby effectively rendering the joint weak due to lack of glue. The only stregnth you had was the screws, the little glue that remained only served to provide a seal. A properly applied glue joint depends on an adequate amount of glue remaining in the joint. If the wood didn't break then you probably didn't leave enough glue in the joint to do the job for which it's designed.

are you serious //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wow.gif.23d729408e9177caa2a0ed6a2ba6588e.gif Clamping puts a hell of a lot more force pushing the two panels together than a screw could even begin to fathom.So are you telling me I would be better off not clamping because too much glue might escape //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crap.gif.7f4dd41e3e9b23fbd170a1ee6f65cecc.gif Please dear god tell me that's not what you just said //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif

 

[ramos 5,000+ posts]

sooooo much bad information is contained in this thread ......baby jesus is sad now //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif

 

[ciaonzo 5,000+ posts]

Dado or locked rabbet with glue and clamping. Better than a butt joint and screws any day.

 

[headless 10+ year member]

lol no shit. This is like a trainwreck in progress. Remind me never to have anyone on this forum build me a ****ing box.

 

[ramos 5,000+ posts]

nah a dado joint wouldn't work too well. A proper dado joint would be too tight, it would squeeze all the glue out of the joint //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

 

[Vermithrax 10+ year member]

yea thats what happened //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

Why is it that you're so closed-minded and unwilling to accept that human error is a key suspect when things fail to work as they were designed? It's not always the cause, but it often turns out to be the culprit.

I've made plenty of mistakes in my time in this hobby. I appreciate every one of them for what they had to offer in the form of learning and improving.

are you serious //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wow.gif.23d729408e9177caa2a0ed6a2ba6588e.gif Clamping puts a hell of a lot more force pushing the two panels together than a screw could even begin to fathom.So are you telling me I would be better off not clamping because too much glue might escape //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crap.gif.7f4dd41e3e9b23fbd170a1ee6f65cecc.gif Please dear god tell me that's not what you just said //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif

Yes, you can supply a lot of force using clamps. You can put too much. It's also possible to put too little. That's all in the control of the builder whether using clamps or screws.

I never implied that you're better off not clamping. I meant to offer the idea that there could be another cause as to why someone suffered a glue joint failure.

 

[ciaonzo 5,000+ posts]

nah a dado joint wouldn't work too well. A proper dado joint would be too tight, it would squeeze all the glue out of the joint //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

I guess all those old woodworkers who contribute to books and monthly periodicals along with my father and grandfather just don't know anything after all and someday every piece of work I've sent out will come back to haunt me even after all these years.