Bought 2 RE audio 18 SX's....... and....

[hiloracerboy84 10+ year member]

i just wasted almost an hour reading through this thread....good thing i was in class and had nothing better to do anyway.

knowledgestick, if the fuse thing is SO important to you, fix it today. go buy a big anl fuse and be done with it. it would take a retarded monkey 30 seconds to do it with an allen wrench.

throw the cap out already and be done with it...

do you know what you're doing as far as running a 2nd alt? do you have brackets/wiring harnesses/more 1/0 and ring terminals etc?

i haven't read through the whole thread so i dont know wtf is going on, but if you're still referring to the "excessive over-heating" thing to the subs and dustcaps, GET OVER IT. you clipped the shit out of your amp. clipping causes heat. heat causes burnt voicecoils or shit to overheat.

the fuse is NOT blown. a 5th grader can tell you that a fuse blows when too much current flows through it for a given time, and it "pops" to cut off that current. if the fuse was blown, your shit wouldn't work at all.

finally, how old are you? i'm no spelling bee winner, but your grammar and spelling **** shit a lot of the time.

that's my contribution to CA.com

 

[knowledgestick 10+ year member]

i just wasted almost an hour reading through this thread....good thing i was in class and had nothing better to do anyway.
knowledgestick, if the fuse thing is SO important to you, fix it today. go buy a big anl fuse and be done with it. it would take a retarded monkey 30 seconds to do it with an allen wrench.

throw the cap out already and be done with it...

do you know what you're doing as far as running a 2nd alt? do you have brackets/wiring harnesses/more 1/0 and ring terminals etc?

i haven't read through the whole thread so i dont know wtf is going on, but if you're still referring to the "excessive over-heating" thing to the subs and dustcaps, GET OVER IT. you clipped the shit out of your amp. clipping causes heat. heat causes burnt voicecoils or shit to overheat.

the fuse is NOT blown. a 5th grader can tell you that a fuse blows when too much current flows through it for a given time, and it "pops" to cut off that current. if the fuse was blown, your shit wouldn't work at all.

finally, how old are you? i'm no spelling bee winner, but your grammar and spelling **** shit a lot of the time.

that's my contribution to CA.com

first and formost i have epilepsy and i live at home and i am on serious medication so go **** yourself. i am no car audio expert, so again go **** yourself. I have stated this serveral times in this post, so again. Go **** yourself you arogent stuck up peice of trash.

 

[hornedfrog1985 5,000+ posts]

Epilepsy+driving+loud noises= epic win

 

[rickymac21 10+ year member]

the box is alot larger than 10cu, that was a very safe guess when i first made it, and i need to make it clear that the box is likely atleast 3 cubic feet larger than that.
it is more like 13-14 before the subwoofers are put in.

here is a video of myself testing them with the multi-metre, aswell as showing the ported specs, and also showing a general estimation of my box's cubic feet.

http://blip.tv/file/1988262

just with those measurements provided in my video not including the smaller areas of my box, it is around 14 cubic feet before woofers.

sounds like your bullshi**** to me... just sayin man. you can guess that far off.. plus if your guessing how big the box is and your putting 18" sx's in there thats a horrible idea. also the fact you thought it was 10 cubes before displacement for ported and putting 2 18" sx's in there was a dumb idea... im not being a dick. just simply saying, if your not sure, just go ahead and build your own box bigger and better. dont guess and end up regreting it in the end when you either ruin your subs or u simply have to take them out and do a new box. which is a hassle.

 

[knowledgestick 10+ year member]

Epilepsy+driving+loud noises= epic win

trying to put down an epileptic = epic fail, especially one who doesnt have seizures or really show any other signs of it, so nice try *******. go back to your sandbox you are making yourself look so retarded. loud noises have nothing to do with epilepsy LOL, i have seizures because of certain frequencys of light flashes and also because a part of my brain is weak and can just have it at random loud noises or bass dont effect it, especially since im on medicine.

Go to school before you try slamming somebody with a disability you scum.

and BTW i did say i have no clue exactly what my box dimensions are, I have no reason to bull shnit, i am not trying to. I will do my best to find out the actual size of it this weekend when i go into the shop to get my new head-unit, because i want to know for sure.

Ive stated that in one of my last posts to switch thinking towards why my amplifier seems so weak, and i have to turn the gain all the way up to get any deciant thump out of it, thus causing clipping. This is why they are over-heating exessively, not over the box ok.... move on.....

We have moved long past that so you guys still being caught up on that arnt even people who are paying attention to this thread you are just dropping in and saying w/e the frickk you think makes you sound smarter than somebody else, well it doesnt because you guys are just looking like stuck-up jerk-off's, ive stated before my illness and disability, i type my best and do the best i can.

the people on here who have actually lended a hand are nice people, you people are the real retards, get some morals and find some direction in life find somthing better to do than slam epileptics on a car audio forum dude.

I have also stated i am not a car audio expert and alot of thease members have been very nice to me and tryed to help, but just like i said a few pages back theres always those assholes who will just drop in and put you down for no paticular reason, fight on internet warriors, fight on.

BTW the box isnt even the problelm ive had them slamming all day perfect iwth no heat at all they are cool to the touch with the gain propperly set.

I am upgrading my head-unit to a 7-8 volt head unit this weekend, and getting my 2nd battery dropped in and my 250 amp fuse put inplace of the incorrect 150amp fuse.

Also in a few weeks, i will be getting my 2nd alternator put in and hooked up. Its all comming together //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif im glad the woofers opperate and function normal, i should have known not to have the gain so high... the **** head-unit is so weak... lol

looking at an eclipse CD7200.

Do thease have power for speakers ? i cant seem to find that information on the internet, every site i find seems to say amlpifier required, if so this would be the first head-unit i have seen like that, does that mean none of my internals could connect to it ?

just curious, also if that is the case what head unit could i get that will also have speaker output ? we have also looked at the eclipse CD 7000 but it is only 5v, and it is on sale though so that is why we looked at it. Also getting the capacitor out and replaced iwth the HC 2000, should all make a very big differance this weekend.

Stay tunned guys //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[1ndatrunk 10+ year member]

You're coming along nicely. I wish I had the disposable funds to add to my system that fast, wow. I have a single 18 in my trunk and its crazy, 2 would be retarded. I'm running more power than you at the moment, but the amount of air you're moving with the added cone area should be crazy. Can't wait to see more

 

[hiloracerboy84 10+ year member]

im not going to add anything else negative but just so you know, you did say iirc way back, that you used to have knowledge about audio, but you stopped for a while...if you used to have knowledge, then you should at least know the basic things that you're asking about...but forget that. i recommend using the search feature for your problems, questions, and concerns. there is a wealth of information here and the topic, or a topic that can help you out has most likely been discussed before. you can learn A LOT just by searching, reading, reading, and then reading some more.

as far as the head units go, that eclipse probably doesn't have an internal amp. they chose to drop that as an option and focus more on performance and reducing heat internally probably. 7-8v preouts are very high voltage. imo, with your experience, you'd be better off going w/ the 5v preout HU for ease of use (internal amp)

 

[knowledgestick 10+ year member]

im not going to add anything else negative but just so you know, you did say iirc way back, that you used to have knowledge about audio, but you stopped for a while...if you used to have knowledge, then you should at least know the basic things that you're asking about...but forget that. i recommend using the search feature for your problems, questions, and concerns. there is a wealth of information here and the topic, or a topic that can help you out has most likely been discussed before. you can learn A LOT just by searching, reading, reading, and then reading some more.
as far as the head units go, that eclipse probably doesn't have an internal amp. they chose to drop that as an option and focus more on performance and reducing heat internally probably. 7-8v preouts are very high voltage. imo, with your experience, you'd be better off going w/ the 5v preout HU for ease of use (internal amp)

the 5v model is on for only 289 dollars is that a good deal ? and does it actually include the internal amp does anybody know ?

thank you very much for that helpfull post, and yeah i did know a bit about car audio but i basicly forgot everything i knew when i had epilepsy i lost alot of long-term memorys from my 2 major seizures.

it was like starting all over agian so, really i didnt know much.

I dont want to get the 5v version, IF its going to be ALOT quieter than the 8v, if the 8v is what my amp needs, i want to get that and just get it done right.

And thanks again to the other poster ! my GF spoils me and my dad doesnt make me or her pay rent due to my condition, and now being on a compasionate club's grower list i get compensated my marijuana for free so that is a big financial saver, not spending all that money there. Also i run a home buisness that i have built up and spent the last 5-6 years making it to the point where it is deciantly sucsessfull for an underground buisness.

I direct film/edit/make psychedelic trance i have 2 albums, all things i learned to do on my own in my spare time since i cant work.

But yeah back to the real topic here.

the eclipse 5v pre-amp output deck, does it have a internal amp, if so how powerfull is it ? and compared to the pioneer DEH000IB or w/e its called that i have.

also i would like some experianced opinions first hand accounts, on whether or not it iwll be a big differance to go from 2.2v pre-out to 5v, and then how big of a differance would it be going form 5v, to 8v.

And sorry for venting in my post but i do not like being put down for my illness, especially when i have made a deciant life for myself, just because i cant type and dont know car audio doesnt make me a bad person.

Im willing and trying to learn, and thanking every single one of you who does help me. And those who dont, dont have to and have every right to do what you do but i am glad you stopped, So thanks for your constructive post //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

-andrew

 

[knowledgestick 10+ year member]

nobody got any opinions on any of the question i asked above ?

comon guys lets get over that little petty crap back and forth it sdone with and keep forming this into a constructive thread.

So can somebody please add their opinions to what i stated above, ill re-post it again.

"But yeah back to the real topic here.

the eclipse 5v pre-amp output deck, does it have a internal amp, if so how powerfull is it ? and compared to the pioneer DEH000IB or w/e its called that i have.

also i would like some experianced opinions first hand accounts, on whether or not it iwll be a big differance to go from 2.2v pre-out to 5v, and then how big of a differance would it be going form 5v, to 8v.

And sorry for venting in my post but i do not like being put down for my illness, especially when i have made a deciant life for myself, just because i cant type and dont know car audio doesnt make me a bad person.

Im willing and trying to learn, and thanking every single one of you who does help me. And those who dont, dont have to and have every right to do what you do but i am glad you stopped, So thanks for your constructive post

-andrew "

 

[knowledgestick 10+ year member]

You're coming along nicely. I wish I had the disposable funds to add to my system that fast, wow. I have a single 18 in my trunk and its crazy, 2 would be retarded. I'm running more power than you at the moment, but the amount of air you're moving with the added cone area should be crazy. Can't wait to see more

i hope i hit atleast 130db, should be fun to test it hehe //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif .

if this all takes care of the over-heating issues, and i can run thease SX's nicely i will be upgrading to 18'' fully loaded BTL's, upgrading my electrical system a bit more and putting 2 amplifiers 1 to each, i want to run around 2000 RMS exactly to each of them, What amplifier or amplifier's would you guys recomened for the BTLS ?

but that is far from now gotta still get the head-unit dealt iwth and the rest of the electrical system upgrade for this system, but first off my main question is :

how big of a differance would it make if we had a 2.2v pre-out deck like the one i have now, compared to a 5v head-unit, and also how big would the differance be from a 5v head unit to an 8v head unit, if i am going to be upgrading to another amplifier shouldnt i go for the 8v head unit or would the 5v eclipse be enough ?

The only drag with the 8v is i would have to get an amplifier for my internal speakers.

thanks guys ! going in this weekend to get the new head-unit, and dealing with the fuse, then going to see if i can get the equip. to do the battery myself, if not i will get my hew shop to do it that i am going to and went to for the box.

So generally i just want to know if the 8v would be a big jump from the 5v, how big of a differance would it be and would it be worth it to grab it for now if i am going to be using it for say a half year before i get my new BTL's and another amp ?

its another like 250 dollars for the 8v one, so if the 5v is not that much of a differance i will take that because it is on for such a good deal.

so, what improvement will i notice from the 2.2v to the 5v, and how big of a jump is it up to the full 8v head unit ?

thanks guys for all your help ! and compliments //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif hopefully one day this is going to be a very nice show car.

 

[knowledgestick 10+ year member]

anybody ?

 

[fshanda 10+ year member]

Pull the cap, do the Big 3, add the battery and set the gain properly.

If you still have problems, upgrade the alternator.

That should solve your original problem.

Then if you want to have fun buy new stuff and install it but after the problem is solved. Adding more and different variables to your system will not solve the problem, just make it more confusing.

Im no expert but I believe higher line voltages are to deliver a better, cleaner signal to the amp not make it louder. The amp will only do its rated wattage with your electrical installed and operating correctly and your gains set properly regardless of the pre-outs voltage. But Im a noob at this so I may be wrong. Im sure I will be corrected if I am.

I just did the Big 3 for the first time on a pain in the *** car. Took me 3-4 hours. Not hard to do at all. Actually the hardest thing to do was crimp the 1/0 terminal ends and get to my alternator.

And like stated a few times prior the fuse is definitely not the problem. Changing it will not solve any of whats going on but matching it with the power cables rated amperage should be done. Like said prior, if it hasnt blown, your amp hasnt pulled more than 150 amps thru your cable or it would have fried.

I use google to search up equipment to find its specs. You should easily be able to find the info you looking for about the Eclipse units. If it has an amp it will give you the RMS and peak output X4 for the unit as well as the pre out voltages. If the specs dont show power ratings then it probably dosent have an amp.

 

[hiloracerboy84 10+ year member]

when crimping 1/0, i just pound the shit outta it with a hammer. there are specific crimpers (hammer type things) for about $30 but its easier to just take a hammer directly to it imo.

as for the HU, just check if the hu specs say 45x4 or whatever or so, and that means it has an internal amp.

the voltage may not make a HUGE difference, but it also may...just gotta try and see. The gain on the amp (level) is there to match the HU voltage to the amp's input. Though there is no direct way to tell, there are some amps (sundown 3kd's for example) that excel with higher input voltage.

i think it would be a safe bet to say that your car will do over 130 on a TL...but you never know actually. There are so many variables that come into play with spl that its impossible to say how loud (or quiet) you'll be, but with 2 18's, thats a lot of air to be moved, so imo, youll be over 130.

 

[knowledgestick 10+ year member]

thanks guys for your help, i appreciate it alot. I thought that little bit of garbage scared posters away i thought i was screwed lol.

but yeah, i am going to deal with the battery tomarow, and maybe a new head unit depending on if the eclipse 5v has a internal amp, even if it does i might just wait until i get this battery in, then get an internal amplifier and the 8v verison so i dont have to upgrade agian, then get my 2nd alternator.

my 2nd alternator, i have an option to get a 150amp or a 200amp one, the 200amp one's are for police cruisers because of all the extra electronics, apparently they fit Crystler LHS's with a bit of modifications.

so tomarow will be : 2nd battery installed, cap removed. Total battery power ( in kinetik model #'s) = 3800.

aswell as getting the 250amp fuse replacing the incorrect one futureshop installed.

my Alternator is a 140 or 150 amp i cant quite remember, its in this post b4, so dont get all over me for that ive said i have a bad memory, id run out right now and check but its raining.

Yeah the plan is to get all of this resolved, but i have been rolling around the last few days pounding the system hard i got a DB metre, and i tryed it with the gain turned way down and no bass eq with the crappy head unit, and the capacitor it hit 125.9 db

hopefully when i get my new battery in, my new head unit, and my new alternator and the amplifier puts out its true RMS, because like the poster 2 posts up said your amp can only put out as much RMS as your electrical system allows.

anyways guys thanks alot for all the help ! i will update you tomarow, and as always will include videos.

Ohyeah, heres another little jewel for you check this out have always been wondering what the creaking noise was in the back seats since i took it there for the VERY first time they did an install on it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HkwXNgkt24

 

[Kastlez_ 10+ year member]

why do you keep going to the same shitty shop if they keep fcking up everything you go there for?

hmm...