Birch box construction

[kmanian 5,000+ posts]

Don't ever give advice to this forum on this topic. You are blatantly wrong, and there are published articles by people from woodworkers to materials engineers that state that wood glue is the strongest way to bond wood.

This is freakin rediculous, I can tell you personally, and by Tommys own admission, that in the real world alot of guys are not making good cuts. wood glue is onlt superior when there is wood to wood contact, if there is not wood to wood contact you have negated the benifits of it, therefore a adhesive that fills the voids where there is no actual wood contact is going to give you far superior bonding. On top of that if you agr trying to bridge the gap with wood glue, yo end up with a very brittel joint, because the wood glue is extremely brittel once dried. So unless you are a seasoned woodworker/carpenter/scientest, back off of others with the absolute, holyer than thou crap

 

[kmanian 5,000+ posts]

//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif Why would you even use liquid nails for the corners? It doesn't do anything just sitting there by itself. If you want to use a sealant, then use...a sealant! Silicone sealant is all you should use.

Well that makes a sealent, try to paint it, what is your point? liguid nails will do the same job of sealing with superior adheasion

 

[tommyk90 5,000+ posts]

This is freakin rediculous, I can tell you personally, and by Tommys own admission, that in the real world alot of guys are not making good cuts. wood glue is onlt superior when there is wood to wood contact, if there is not wood to wood contact you have negated the benifits of it, therefore a adhesive that fills the voids where there is no actual wood contact is going to give you far superior bonding. On top of that if you agr trying to bridge the gap with wood glue, yo end up with a very brittel joint, because the wood glue is extremely brittel once dried. So unless you are a seasoned woodworker/carpenter/scientest, back off of others with the absolute, holyer than thou crap

Well actually, the reason I had mentioned bad cuts was not to support the use of liquid nails or anything else, but to state that SCREWS and glue is the better way to go.

Screws actually PULL the wood together if you have bad cuts so the wood glue can make a strong bond. Unless you have a LOT of clamps or make perfect cuts, screws are 100% necessary IMO.

 

[cha0 10+ year member]

****, never had a thread go 5 pages.

im going to get the pics of my birch project soon with screws and WOOD glue...

back to your regular scheduled argument.

 

[PV Audio 5,000+ posts]

Well that makes a sealent, try to paint it, what is your point? liguid nails will do the same job of sealing with superior adheasion

When liquid nails dries on something other than a joint, aka just left open, it's very hard and flaky and does a piss poor job of sealing anything. Silicone moves into the smallest spaces and creates a soft sealant that cannot be removed from these holes even if the main bulk of it is removed.

 

[PV Audio 5,000+ posts]

This is freakin rediculous, I can tell you personally, and by Tommys own admission, that in the real world alot of guys are not making good cuts. wood glue is onlt superior when there is wood to wood contact, if there is not wood to wood contact you have negated the benifits of it, therefore a adhesive that fills the voids where there is no actual wood contact is going to give you far superior bonding. On top of that if you agr trying to bridge the gap with wood glue, yo end up with a very brittel joint, because the wood glue is extremely brittel once dried. So unless you are a seasoned woodworker/carpenter/scientest, back off of others with the absolute, holyer than thou crap

//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif I couldn't care less if you can't cut worth a ****, that isn't really relevant. If you can't get a usable cut (clamping and screws can take even 1/4" mishap cuts into glueable cuts), no adhesive will save you anyway as the joint isn't strong, it's just airtight. In the end, it's still going to fail, so I ask you, what is YOUR point?

 

[kmanian 5,000+ posts]

****, never had a thread go 5 pages.
im going to get the pics of my birch project soon with screws and WOOD glue...

back to your regular scheduled argument.

dude I actually laughed out loud. that was great.

 

[J31Rob 5,000+ posts]

When liquid nails dries on something other than a joint, aka just left open, it's very hard and flaky and does a piss poor job of sealing anything. Silicone moves into the smallest spaces and creates a soft sealant that cannot be removed from these holes even if the main bulk of it is removed.

You're local to me, should I bring you a box I've built & show you how "hard & flaky" my Liquid Nails on my boxes?

Yeah, you're wrong about that man.. you may be right in your own little way, but you can't tell me Liquid Nails doesn't seal.. because it does. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif

http://www.liquidnails.com/ViewProductListing.do

Tell me Liquid Nails doesn't have what I need to build a box.. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[J31Rob 5,000+ posts]

Liquid Nails: Wood - http://www.liquidnails.com/ViewProductDetails.do?productId=56

Liquid Nails: Premium Sealant: http://www.liquidnails.com/ViewProductDetails.do?productId=13

Hmmm.. weird?

 

[PV Audio 5,000+ posts]

You're local to me, should I bring you a box I've built & show you how "hard & flaky" my Liquid Nails on my boxes?Yeah, you're wrong about that man.. you may be right in your own little way, but you can't tell me Liquid Nails doesn't seal.. because it does. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif

http://www.liquidnails.com/ViewProductListing.do

Tell me Liquid Nails doesn't have what I need to build a box.. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

Are you all really this dense? The question isn't whether or not liquid nails or gorilla glue works for an enclosure, it's why the heavenly **** you would even use it? It's over 2x more expensive, less effective and messier. You don't have to preach to me either, as I've used every adhesive in the book before actually testing and reading and realizing that wood glue is the best thing for enclosure bonds. I don't even see why this is a discussion. Also, liquid nails is not a sealant either, it's an adhesive. It doesn't have the properties of a true sealant, which is again cheaper to buy, so why not get it also? If you can't make a good cut, an expanding or ultra-thick adhesive won't help you anyway as it isn't bonding the wood together, it's holding itself in between the spaces in the wood which is just as effective as screws alone (aka weak).

 

[PV Audio 5,000+ posts]

Liquid Nails: Wood - http://www.liquidnails.com/ViewProductDetails.do?productId=56Liquid Nails: Premium Sealant: http://www.liquidnails.com/ViewProductDetails.do?productId=13

Hmmm.. weird?

Are you actually going to sit there and tell me you were talking about liquid nails BRAND of sealant, not just liquid nails wood adhesive?

 

[J31Rob 5,000+ posts]

Are you all really this dense? The question isn't whether or not liquid nails or gorilla glue works for an enclosure, it's why the heavenly **** you would even use it? It's over 2x more expensive, less effective and messier. You don't have to preach to me either, as I've used every adhesive in the book before actually testing and reading and realizing that wood glue is the best thing for enclosure bonds. I don't even see why this is a discussion. Also, liquid nails is not a sealant either, it's an adhesive. It doesn't have the properties of a true sealant, which is again cheaper to buy, so why not get it also? If you can't make a good cut, an expanding or ultra-thick adhesive won't help you anyway as it isn't bonding the wood together, it's holding itself in between the spaces in the wood which is just as effective as screws alone (aka weak).

1.) I don't know what kind of Liquid Nails you use, but the kind I use.. does NOT expand.

2.) TiteBond/other wood glues are very runny.. & not easy to use.. Liquid Nails is thicker & easier to put where you want it.. (aka running beads down any/all cracks/crevices due to a bad cut or just to seal it)

3.) If you're so god damned sure on the subject, then why are you still talking to us, non-worthy, non-speaker-box-glue Gods, like yourself?

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[ballstothewall 10+ year member]

The amount of misinformation in this thread is just staggering. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[J31Rob 5,000+ posts]

Are you actually going to sit there and tell me you were talking about liquid nails BRAND of sealant, not just liquid nails wood adhesive?

No, you said Liquid Nails isn't a sealant.. & I posted that link to show you they had a sealant. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

 

[J31Rob 5,000+ posts]

I've over the thread..

PV Audio is a hard head..

Kind of like Cot Jones, in the way you can't tell him JL isn't the way to go..

So I'll leave it at that.

Thank you & come again.