Birch box construction

Are you all really this dense? The question isn't whether or not liquid nails or gorilla glue works for an enclosure, it's why the heavenly **** you would even use it? It's over 2x more expensive, less effective and messier. You don't have to preach to me either, as I've used every adhesive in the book before actually testing and reading and realizing that wood glue is the best thing for enclosure bonds. I don't even see why this is a discussion. Also, liquid nails is not a sealant either, it's an adhesive. It doesn't have the properties of a true sealant, which is again cheaper to buy, so why not get it also? If you can't make a good cut, an expanding or ultra-thick adhesive won't help you anyway as it isn't bonding the wood together, it's holding itself in between the spaces in the wood which is just as effective as screws alone (aka weak).
hey,

boy you are really the guro of all things wood. your theory works, in practice your argunent has alot to be desired. I am a master carpenter with 20 years experiance, I know what I am talking about. I can build you a box that has nothing holding it toghther other than the wood itself and some cheap *** latex caulk for the interior joints, I will shipp it to you for you to do your tests to, I defy you to destroy it with any woofer and Amp combo. I can also build you a box that is pocket screwed and Ploy glued, and I give you the same challenge.

these guys that are conversing with you have a good grasp on how to get it done, they may or may not have all the skill you have, and they almost certainly don't have the post count, however they do have some skills. I think you need to get off the high horse for a while. without a doubt unless you have proper joinery with massive amounts of wood to wood contact, there is more than enough room to argue that PLOY glues and construction adhesive have major merrit.

The construction industry was introduced to construction adhesive (aka liquid nails) not because wood glue dosen't work, rather in the real world the joinery between materials in the field is less than perfect. there for a high viscosity adhesive has found itself a place in the industry. Unless you have a really nice table saw and the skill to use it, you probably are not going to be able to get cuts that are considered proper joinery, the joints will have voids in them that will be filled with standard wood glue, which is very brittel. when you have these kind of juints, they will more than likely fail under the pressures of car audio. there are products that address this lack of presision (POLY glues ...) If yo have good cuts, that have been cleaned, you are correct that wood glue is superior. I do however question how many cust are "good"

 
here is why i abandoned liquid nails (after i defended it for soooo long).

recently my buddy took apart a box that i built for him for his 15" xxx. the box lasted for quite some time, but since he was selling the sub, he took it out. then he took screws out of the box joints (i told him the joints would be stronger than the mdf)...and the ****ing thing fell apart. no pressure, no force. just pulled the screws out and it fell apart. given this was after about 1.5 years or so of having it in the car, but the fact is...it fell apart and the only thing holding it together was the screws...never again will i use liquid nails to build a box.

 
kmanian ever herd of NP1? i got into industrial construction about 2 years ago. being 19 and arrogant my boss told me about this shit. he said if you put a small bead of it on something, **** up and realize its not where you wanted it after it dried it wasnt comming off. well i was like yea yea whatever. well he was right. this shit sticks and DOES NOT come off. first time i had to remove it i was prying with a 3 foot long prybar for hours.

not that this has ANYTHING to do with this thread but hey, does most of this?

just wondering if you ever had any experience with it. shit even says on the side of the tube something along the lines of "for experts only..."

 
here is why i abandoned liquid nails (after i defended it for soooo long).
recently my buddy took apart a box that i built for him for his 15" xxx. the box lasted for quite some time, but since he was selling the sub, he took it out. then he took screws out of the box joints (i told him the joints would be stronger than the mdf)...and the ****ing thing fell apart. no pressure, no force. just pulled the screws out and it fell apart. given this was after about 1.5 years or so of having it in the car, but the fact is...it fell apart and the only thing holding it together was the screws...never again will i use liquid nails to build a box.
Hey, you chin must have hit the floor, anyways I totally agree, loquid nails isn't the perfect answer, infact within the liquid nails family there are many choices, som better than others, but I will bring up the point that guys are saying that the screws do nothing, it seems that the screws were the only thing doing somthing in your case.

 
and once again, I agree that wood glue is the best thing, however, with shitty cuts you negate the benifits.
We'll have to agree to disagree then. I still stand by wood glue for any box building application, because the glue you use cannot fix bad cuts. There are so few situations where the cuts will be so off that you can't even bond them, in which case, you'd re-cut anyway.
 
hey, boy you are really the guro of all things wood. your theory works, in practice your argunent has alot to be desired. I am a master carpenter with 20 years experiance, I know what I am talking about. I can build you a box that has nothing holding it toghther other than the wood itself and some cheap *** latex caulk for the interior joints, I will shipp it to you for you to do your tests to, I defy you to destroy it with any woofer and Amp combo. I can also build you a box that is pocket screwed and Ploy glued, and I give you the same challenge.

these guys that are conversing with you have a good grasp on how to get it done, they may or may not have all the skill you have, and they almost certainly don't have the post count, however they do have some skills. I think you need to get off the high horse for a while. without a doubt unless you have proper joinery with massive amounts of wood to wood contact, there is more than enough room to argue that PLOY glues and construction adhesive have major merrit.

The construction industry was introduced to construction adhesive (aka liquid nails) not because wood glue dosen't work, rather in the real world the joinery between materials in the field is less than perfect. there for a high viscosity adhesive has found itself a place in the industry. Unless you have a really nice table saw and the skill to use it, you probably are not going to be able to get cuts that are considered proper joinery, the joints will have voids in them that will be filled with standard wood glue, which is very brittel. when you have these kind of juints, they will more than likely fail under the pressures of car audio. there are products that address this lack of presision (POLY glues ...) If yo have good cuts, that have been cleaned, you are correct that wood glue is superior. I do however question how many cust are "good"
If anything, the fact that I am NOT that great of an enclosure builder compared to some people here, but still advocate wood glue should be more significant.
And again, if a cut is so bad that you can't bond it, you shouldn't be using that panel anyway. You're just introducing preventable weakness into the enclosure, which would only have a band-aid on it by using a different adhesive.

 
If anything, the fact that I am NOT that great of an enclosure builder compared to some people here, but still advocate wood glue should be more significant.
And again, if a cut is so bad that you can't bond it, you shouldn't be using that panel anyway. You're just introducing preventable weakness into the enclosure, which would only have a band-aid on it by using a different adhesive.
Don't worry about not being the best builder. At least you can spell..

 
I think the curious part of this thread is that the people who call me arrogant don't realize that I've built an enclosure every way they're describing and can make objective comparisons.

 
I think the curious part of this thread is that the people who call me arrogant don't realize that I've built an enclosure every way they're describing and can make objective comparisons.
It's not even part us thinking you're arrogant, it's the fact that you ACT arrogant about your knowledge rather than just simply stating your facts/opinions & hearing our's out, as well.

I've used Liquid Nails & TiteBond I/II/III & I prefer Liquid Nails.. it seals very well, it bonds very well, not neccessarily on MDF, because MDF is NOT wood..

Birch, poppler and/or any other plywood w/grains, rather than a smooth surface, work quite well with Liquid Nails: Wood.

I didn't wanna post in here again because you have a "never wrong" complex it seems..

But yeah, I'll agree to disagree w/you as well..

 
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