Audio newbie from Southern California

yeah times have changed. the brands you avoid are
American Pro, Audiovox, Boss, Dual, Jensen, Kole,Legacy, MA Audio, Pheonix Digital, Planet Audio, Power Acoustik, Profile, Pyle, Pyramid, performance technique, west coast customs, JVC, soundstream (lower end lines and a few others, some are okay) Rockwood, rockville, Seicane, Sound Storm(or SSL), Sparkomatic, SPL Audio, Thump, Ultimate Sounds, Urban Audio, US Amps- the newer stuff, Visonik, Volfenhag Alphasonik, Autotek, Audiobahn, Audiopipe (everything except some specific amplifiers), Blaupunkt, Crunch, Hifonics(speakers and subwoofers and non brutus amplifiers) Kenwood (speakers subs and amplifiers)

Lanzar(non opti lines), Lightning Audio, Pioneer (amplifiers, subwoofers and speakers) Rockford Fosgate (lower series products) SAS Bazooka (all products), Sony Xplod, Vibe, hitron, kicker (speakers and lower end subs)

That should be most of the junk gone. Some of the name brands are there because like pioneer, they only do head units well. Only speakers of theirs that dont **** is the stage 4 which are $500+. Kicker and rockford has overpriced junk at their bottom tier but the amps are okay and their subs are barely mediocre but overpriced.
Which is mind blowing considering many of those brands (well the older brands at least) were a lot of the go to products that you saw at car shows...I mean Kicker when they first came out with the L7s were in EVERY magazine, every other car you came across gathering a crowd had square subs in the back.

 
Which is mind blowing considering many of those brands (well the older brands at least) were a lot of the go to products that you saw at car shows...I mean Kicker when they first came out with the L7s were in EVERY magazine, every other car you came across gathering a crowd had square subs in the back.
kicker used to be good when everything was made and designed in still water. Now they have cut costs and moved everything over to china. The american woofers that are great right now are FI, SSA, Ascendant audio, etc...

A lot are on this site. SoundSolutionsAudio's Online car audio store! Best prices, products and customer service. Fast shipping to US, Canada and More!! or http://www.droppinhzcaraudio.com/ is where the super legit gear is in terms of woofers. JL audio W6 and W7s are still legit choices if you can get them for 1/4 retail used.

 
kicker used to be good when everything was made and designed in still water. Now they have cut costs and moved everything over to china. The american woofers that are great right now are FI, SSA, Ascendant audio, etc...
A lot are on this site. SoundSolutionsAudio's Online car audio store! Best prices, products and customer service. Fast shipping to US, Canada and More!! or Droppin' HZ Car Audio | High End Bass Systems | Car Audio Systems is where the super legit gear is in terms of woofers. JL audio W6 and W7s are still legit choices if you can get them for 1/4 retail used.
And design has changed so much as well, I looked at those Ascendant Chaos 10s and they look like weapons! Subs used to look like oversized speakers, but those things look like they're build to kill. I need a winning lotto ticket, I see too much **** that I want.

 
And design has changed so much as well, I looked at those Ascendant Chaos 10s and they look like weapons! Subs used to look like oversized speakers, but those things look like they're build to kill. I need a winning lotto ticket, I see too much **** that I want.
ascendant and SSA woofers kick ***. they are all good. incriminator audio is ****** as well as ampere audio..

 
Looking back through this while I attempt to pry tax return money away from the wife it occurs to me, is there a big difference between 2 way and 3 way component sets? I noticed one of you is putting forth a 2 way set and the other is recommending a 3 way set. Will there be some loss in in sound quality/frequency range between the two? Also Amplification, would a 4 channel amp be sufficient, or would I need a 6 channel amp if I went with the 3 ways? I've never wired up a setup like this so I'm not sure what the wiring would look like.

 
Looking back through this while I attempt to pry tax return money away from the wife it occurs to me, is there a big difference between 2 way and 3 way component sets? I noticed one of you is putting forth a 2 way set and the other is recommending a 3 way set. Will there be some loss in in sound quality/frequency range between the two? Also Amplification, would a 4 channel amp be sufficient, or would I need a 6 channel amp if I went with the 3 ways? I've never wired up a setup like this so I'm not sure what the wiring would look like.
Two way only has midrange/midbass and tweeter. The mids are doing double duty working a bit harder covering two jobs of midrange and midbass and the tweeter is also working a bit harder covering more midrange frequencies along with playing upper frequencies. While a 3 way set everything is doing their own job properly. tweeters take care of the highs. Midrange takes care of all the and vocals. midbass takes care of all the drum kicks and deep male vocals. Much better job delegation vs 2 way. That 3 way PPI set has won sound quality competitions, doesnt matter what others say or trash it, its a certified championship winning set.

these component sets are connected to a passive crossover network. The most you'll need is a 2 channel amp with a lot of power. All you need to do is wire the woofer, midbass and tweeter up to the network and then wire the network to the amp and the power will properly split between the three speakers. See pics, Input - and input + is all you need to hook up for power.

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Two way only has midrange/midbass and tweeter. The mids are doing double duty working a bit harder covering two jobs of midrange and midbass and the tweeter is also working a bit harder covering more midrange frequencies along with playing upper frequencies. While a 3 way set everything is doing their own job properly. tweeters take care of the highs. Midrange takes care of all the and vocals. midbass takes care of all the drum kicks and deep male vocals. Much better job delegation vs 2 way. That 3 way PPI set has won sound quality competitions, doesnt matter what others say or trash it, its a certified championship winning set.
these component sets are connected to a passive crossover network. The most you'll need is a 2 channel amp with a lot of power. All you need to do is wire the woofer, midbass and tweeter up to the network and then wire the network to the amp and the power will properly split between the three speakers. See pics, Input - and input + is all you need to hook up for power.

p65c3.jpg
Exactly what I was looking for, thank you.

 
3 way is a big step for a newbie. I would stick to 2-way, less potential headaches. Sure they may have won competitions but I bet they had a bunch of processing, as well as a proper install, and probably custom locations..... by the time you get to that point you can get a lot of speakers sounding pretty **** good.

 
3 way is a big step for a newbie. I would stick to 2-way, less potential headaches. Sure they may have won competitions but I bet they had a bunch of processing, as well as a proper install, and probably custom locations..... by the time you get to that point you can get a lot of speakers sounding pretty **** good.
he has stock locations he can use, only thing he needs to do is to mount the tweeter on his sail panel or A pillar. You can say the exact same thing about any 2 way component. SQ requires work and tuning no matter what. A 2 way setup isnt gonna magically sound better than a 3 way setup without tuning and processing as well.

 
Only thing I don't like about the pioneer recommendation is its a 2V deck...for the same money you can get at least 4V output from a Kenwood DDX393...I don't know why you would want 2V output if you are gonna amplify anything.

 
Only thing I don't like about the pioneer recommendation is its a 2V deck...for the same money you can get at least 4V output from a Kenwood DDX393...I don't know why you would want 2V output if you are gonna amplify anything.
Did you even bother looking at the specs? its 4 volts not 2. Click the details tab. Its on pioneer's website as well.

Pioneer AVH-X2700BS DVD receiver at Crutchfield.com

I'm not the type that gives out sh*t recommendations without looking at all the specs bro.

 
Did you even bother looking at the specs? its 4 volts not 2. Click the details tab. Its on pioneer's website as well.
Pioneer AVH-X2700BS DVD receiver at Crutchfield.com

I'm not the type that gives out sh*t recommendations without looking at all the specs bro.
Slow your roll...its not a true 4V...one of the only down sides of that radio...that's why I don't give it credit as such...have you heard it vs the 393 in the same sound setup...I have...hundreds of times...there is a night and day difference...sorry I let my real world experience get in the way of your internet button clicking prowess. Don't believe everything you read.

P.S.- I didn't know you were my brother?

 
Slow your roll...its not a true 4V...one of the only down sides of that radio...that's why I don't give it credit as such...have you heard it vs the 393 in the same sound setup...I have...hundreds of times...there is a night and day difference...sorry I let my real world experience get in the way of your internet button clicking prowess. Don't believe everything you read.
P.S.- I didn't know you were my brother?
Uh huh. Show me the preout voltage readings on a meter in a picture or vids or else your claims pretty useless. Loads of my buddy runs the 2700bs and have no issues getting good signal, output and reaching proper levels on low gain. Night and day difference how? If you talking about sounding better, that's not preout voltage related. Thats a DAC and other internal processing related which was discussed earlier. Otherwise preout voltage just correlates to how much gain you'll need to get full power out of your amps as you set your gain according to your head units preout voltage. You can easily tap into max amplifier potential cleanly even with a 2 volt head unit.

BTW.... Hundreds of times. Man you must have waaaay too much free time on your hands to swap out your stereo back and forth hundreds of times. But hell that sounds totally believable and not exaggerated at all just like your real world experience. Gosh that must be a lifetime and treasure trove of knowledge from swapping head units back and forth hundreds of thousands of times. I wish i had that much free time.

PS - I used the bro term in a derogatory sense here.

 
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