1) Nope never would I call 9/11 a genocide, not sure if I wrote wrong, or you read wrong. 3K+ is a TERRIBLE tragedy and some a$$ kicking was in order of course,
but IMO the native american mass population extermination, the ***** atlantic slave trade, the holocaust, rwanda, darfur, and ultimately aids infested sub saharan africa are genocides IMO
have theere been others oh yes, will there be more, of course since humans have the ability to do extreme levels of evil to each other
back on topic
2) muslims dont believe that israel is a sovereign justified nation thats all. They dont hate jews, they just dont like people who come to inhabited lands and displace families as most people in that situation believe. have islamic folks done this througout history emphatically YES, so its kind of the kettle calling the pot black. but doesnt make it right either way. but the US freedom fighters of the fight for independence sure werent seen as terrorists. they wanted self determination at all cost. whats the difference?
and please dont tell me it because the US didnt attack civilians--try and count the number of indigenous north americans you have ever met
doubt those native americans think land occupation is okay , regardless if they have accepted it or not.
3) when I say israelis I mean israelis. the nation. judaism is a religion not a ethnic group nor a nation. I understand the biblical connectivity, and all the allegorical references to such, but when im talking about a military from israel, a government from israel im talking about the nation itself.
I do know that jews attempt to keep there bloodlines extremely pure by design and by choice. and thats fine by me, but Id find it rather intersting if we could do a mass dna trace back to those early israel inhabitants to see if they matched a large proprtion of modern day jewish people like most are led to believe--michael bradley sure doesnt seem to think so
Jewish people as a religious group that have the right to success, prosperity etc as much as the next group of people IMO, but if its at the expense of a pre-existing group of people how can that be okay? you just cant eliminate how a nation was created from its history and make it all good for the present day telling of the story
I understand war, but trying to make it sound sweet and without fault I dont like
we all know the story of moses, the chosen people of the bible etc... but as a "clear" fact i dont really agree . last time I checked the bible stated that the the earth was made in seven days, human race started from two people, people lived for 500 years, moses parted the red sea----think of all of it is fact?
4) lets ask the question can the UN decide tommorrow to go to all the various reservations and say that california is now yours again, you can have back new york, and mexico here take back texas it "has always been yours", throughout america? didnt thinks so.
Im sure you dont think the UN and the EU/Britain are so wonderfully generous to just give away land for FREE in a capital based society?? especially when britain was trying so hard to impose its will upon ireland during this same time over LAND
then they go ahead and buddy up with US, to give away millions (and currently BILLIONS) of dollars annually for military/economic/technological support for FREE??
that has nothing to do with how good jewish people were at math man ???? sorry that a sterotype , give ANY nation that kind of support and give them 60 yrs and watch what they can do with it.. spewing sterotypes be it a positive one in this case, is not a good idea, as im sure youd rather not continue with the bad ones
lets remember this same US during the 40's, 50 and 60's still had a rather large portion of its population as second class citizens (African Americans in particular), but they thought so much of the jewish population that they decided to just give them land and billions fo dollars in resources since 1949 for FREE?? cmon now
this is not me trying to pit African Americans against people of the Jewish faith (as I know for some reason media etc like to default to)
but you have to ask why so much humanity for this group of people , when your own constituents could not even use the same bathroom together? lets not even talk about the Asian American population at this time
lets be real, there had to be some other reason
thats not a coincindence of kindness
never has the US, the EU, or the UN been so humane without a reason behind it, and it sure want due to it being ordained by the old testament.
5) no one said socialism, I sure didnt
I like my 400hp gas engine, and sony HTand I have a feeling the saudis like there too //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif
I think the palestinians want self determination, and they want the ports back, and I think they want to be able to dictate the land that they lived on prior to 1946.
are they getting it back NOPE, will they lose the war YEP,
but lets not rewrite history to make it like israelis are innocent bystanders in this, who are being attacked by crazed terrorist muslims who consider them evil infidels and dont want peace
sooo the israel never broke a peace treaty noooo really????
maybe the palestinians just see the israelis as intruders to land they once lost, somehow regained with the help of some big brothers --its not like the palestinians said coool go ahead take that land we dont want it
they lost it like every other nation loses, superior technology, more economic strength, better allies, and in some cases more guts
nations dont just give land and resources to groups of people without a rhyme or reason , or just to be humane. its only done by force be it physical, ideological, or economic strangulation
sure wish would be cool to talk in person I like debates like this, reminds me of the old college days
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