anyone else think isreal is trippin?

[Wonderbread 5,000+ posts]

I'm not reading this all, I have way too much to do in the next couple hours.

Until I see sources on those news clippings you gave newtitan, I'm ignoring them. Until then -

"Israel says it struck 18 Hezbollah targets in the latest sea and air attacks, killing three civilians and wounding at least 50." BBC.

""We targeted by air the headquarters of Hizbollah in southern Beirut. We attacked two structures that are used by the leadership of Hizbollah," she said, adding that civilians had been warned in advance to leave the area." Reuters.

"Israeli warplanes blasted the main Beirut-Damascus highway overnight, tightening an air, sea and land blockade of Lebanon, and bombed targets in Beirut's teeming Shi'ite Muslim suburbs, killing three people and wounding 40, security sources said." Reuters again.

"Their deaths brought to 66 the number of people, almost all civilians, killed in Lebanon in the past three days, police said. More than 200 people have been wounded. Hizbollah rocket attacks on northern Israel have now killed four Israelis and wounded more than 150." Reuters.

Now, I'm not saying that killing people is right. But you said it yourself - this is war, and war aint pretty. The difference here, to me, is intent. Israel is targetting primarily strategic targets and facilities, such as airport runways, military camps and strategic headquarters. Israel is warning civilians to leave - the intent is not to kill, but to cripple the force they are fighting against.

Hezbollah rockets being fired blindly into Israel have nearly amasses the same number of casualties as these massive Israeli attacks. Try to tell me that Israel doesn't have a case for physical retaliation.

Oh, and btw - "Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Israel would not dare move against his country." Reuters.

EDIT - oh and you said something about the US giving Israel the land? That's horseshit and you know it. It was a British territory, handed over to the UN and then given to Israel.

 

[AcidicDreams 10+ year member]

I'm not reading this all, I have way too much to do in the next couple hours.
Until I see sources on those news clippings you gave newtitan, I'm ignoring them. Until then -

"Israel says it struck 18 Hezbollah targets in the latest sea and air attacks, killing three civilians and wounding at least 50." BBC.

""We targeted by air the headquarters of Hizbollah in southern Beirut. We attacked two structures that are used by the leadership of Hizbollah," she said, adding that civilians had been warned in advance to leave the area." Reuters.

"Israeli warplanes blasted the main Beirut-Damascus highway overnight, tightening an air, sea and land blockade of Lebanon, and bombed targets in Beirut's teeming Shi'ite Muslim suburbs, killing three people and wounding 40, security sources said." Reuters again.

"Their deaths brought to 66 the number of people, almost all civilians, killed in Lebanon in the past three days, police said. More than 200 people have been wounded. Hizbollah rocket attacks on northern Israel have now killed four Israelis and wounded more than 150." Reuters.

Now, I'm not saying that killing people is right. But you said it yourself - this is war, and war aint pretty. The difference here, to me, is intent. Israel is targetting primarily strategic targets and facilities, such as airport runways, military camps and strategic headquarters. Israel is warning civilians to leave - the intent is not to kill, but to cripple the force they are fighting against.

Hezbollah rockets being fired blindly into Israel have nearly amasses the same number of casualties as these massive Israeli attacks. Try to tell me that Israel doesn't have a case for physical retaliation.

Oh, and btw - "Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Israel would not dare move against his country." Reuters.

EDIT - oh and you said something about the US giving Israel the land? That's horseshit and you know it. It was a British territory, handed over to the UN and then given to Israel.

Yah the US didn't have much to do with it and the UN has repeatedly ****ed things up. They did well in Korea and since then they have sucked major horseshit. Plus they tend to have a special place in their hearts for ****ing with the middle east.

 

[fancynapkin 10+ year member]

Israel targets facilities. Some happen to be near civilians, such as yesterday when they attacked Hezbollah Headquarters and some civilians got killed. Or at the airport, where the runways were the target, not the civilians. Why do civilians sometimes get killed in these retaliatory strikes? Because Muslim terrorist organizations like Hezbollah and the PLO deliberately place their headquarters and facilities in civilain neighborhoods, using them as human shields. Israel long ago stopped worrying about that and simply targets the enemy. Civilians get caught in the crossfire. Such is the nature of warfare.

Contrast that to the Palestinians. They deliberately attack Israeli civilians. Women and children waiting for the bus. People attending Bar-matvahs. People out on the town at a discoteque, etc. There is no justification whatsoever for doing that. If they have a complaint then let's hear it. If their remedy to their complaint is to strap bombs to their bodies, cross the border, and kill Israeli civilians, then I really could care less what their complaint is.

 

[Wonderbread 5,000+ posts]

Bingo fancy. The real reason I choose to demonize the Palestinian "efforts" is because of their absolute failure to consider human life. They fight nasty, and they fight with no regard for humanity. After all, to these militants, Jews aren't people. They're simply the enemy.

 

[newtitan 10+ year member]

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welp since your not reading it, oh well waste of effort I guess

but to clarify

1) didnt post the link to say it was fact , I posted it to tell the other guy that it WAS NOT a good idea to post segments of articles , out of context

2) and I didnt say the US gave israel the land, if it read that way--mistake in tense (we both know the EU/britain and the UN did--but doesnt negate that is was GIVEN),

I wrote/meant we (the US) helped facilitate israeli growth through some economic/technological/military help. seems a little curious as to why israel- receives ANNUALLY -since 1949 2BILLION + of us taxpayer money

and we complain about income tax lol

cant just be because of the old testament? and because they used to live there?

I have no issues against israeli having a country, defending its current country even if by force, as thats the way it goes through history

but dont make it like it was WITHOUT force or ill itent and without some provocation of their ow-- with respect to the palestinians, and make it like its ONLY the palestinians that are causing the past confilcts and event his current one

3) intent is subjective. especially in war. He who wins writes the best story--since it seems that all of this is worth it because the terrorist kidnapped 2, 4 or 7 soldiers??

guess I think there is something larger in the works, at least that is what history dictates.

sure took a lot more for the US to go into iraq, and afghanistan at least

 

[MikeofTulsa Moderator]

guess I think there is something larger in the works, at least that is what history dictates.

i'd be willing to say more than history dictates something larger is in the works. but i'll be labled a crazy religious fanatic for bringing that up. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[DBfan187 5,000+ posts]

Nostradomaus?

 

[DBfan187 5,000+ posts]

This is a transcript of (UN Ambassador) John Bolton's speech today.

Statement by Ambassador John R. Bolton, U.S. Permanent Representative to the United Nations, in the Special Public Session on Lebanon, in the Security Council, July 14, 2006 

Mr. President, in recent days and weeks, we have seen an outbreak of violence in the Middle East, sparked by attacks and kidnappings which Hamas and Hizballah carried out against Israel. Events continue to develop even as we speak.

 

Hizballah’s incursions across the Blue Line on July 12 were a deliberate and premeditated provocation intended to undermine regional stability and are contrary to the interests of both the Lebanese and Israeli people. We unequivocally condemn the kidnapping by Hizballah, a terrorist organization, of two Israeli soldiers and call for their immediate and unconditional release.

 

Provocations across the Blue Line by terrorist groups highlight the urgent need for full and immediate compliance by Syria and Hizballah with relevant UN Security Council resolutions, including 1559, 1583, 1655, and 1680.

 

The international community has made clear its desire to see the central authority of the Government of Lebanon extended throughout the country.

 

In this context, we underscore the importance of the Security Council President’s statement of June 18, 2000 and the Secretary-General’s conclusion that as of June 16, 2000, Israel had withdrawn all its forces from Lebanon in accordance with UNSC resolution 425 and met the requirements defined in the Secretary-General’s May 22, 2000 report.

 

As President Bush said yesterday, we are concerned about the fragile democracy in Lebanon. While we have been working very hard with partners to strengthen the democracy in Lebanon, we are also making clear that the democratic aspirations of the Lebanese people must not be undermined by the irresponsible and destabilizing actions of Hizballah.

 

We have repeatedly made clear to Lebanon and Syria our serious concern about the presence of terrorist groups on their soil and the periodic attacks against Israel from groups and individuals in southern Lebanon.

 

All militias in Lebanon, including Hizballah, must disarm and disband immediately and the Lebanese government must extend and exercise its sole and exclusive control over all Lebanese territory.

 

President Bush has made clear that Syria and Iran must be held to account for supporting regional terrorism and their role in the current crisis. Syria provides safe haven to the militant wing of Hamas and provides material support to Hizballah, which also maintains an active presence in Syria. Iran’s extensive sponsorship and financial and other support of Hizballah is well known and has been ongoing for decades. No reckoning with Hizballah will be adequate without a reckoning with its principal state sponsors of terror.

 

We call on Syria and Iran to cease their sponsorship and support of terrorist groups, in particular Hizballah and Hamas. For the third time in two weeks, we again call on Syria to arrest Hamas leader Khaled Meshal, who currently lives in Damascus. There is no excuse for a member state of the United Nations to continue to knowingly harbor a recognized terrorist.

[my emphisis]

The Secretary General’s decision to send a senior level team to the region is a development that is welcomed by my government.

 

We are also engaged with the primary parties and other concerned leaders to help restore calm and achieve a resolution to this crisis. In fact, senior U.S. officials are in Jerusalem today for meetings.

 

All parties in the region must accept their responsibilities for maintaining security and stability. We urge all parties to accept the principle that governments must exercise sovereign control over territory.

 

The United States remains firmly committed to working with others not only to resolve the present situation but toward building longer-term peace and stability in the region.

 

[Hundreth 10+ year member]

^^

Yup, Syria and Iran have started shit long ago with Israel which is what I was trying to explain to Slammed.

 

[Slammed 5,000+ posts]

^^
Yup, Syria and Iran have started shit long ago with Israel which is what I was trying to explain to Slammed.

I am trying to avoid this thread man lol

I am aware of tensions between these countries....but you just dont get what Im trying to say

You are going have your opinion and Im going to have mine......no way around this.

I promised myself that I wouldnt get into these discussions anymore.......Im stubborn!

I am out!

 

[Hundreth 10+ year member]

I am trying to avoid this thread man lol

I am aware of tensions between these countries....but you just dont get what Im trying to say

You are going have your opinion and Im going to have mine......no way around this.

I promised myself that I wouldnt get into these discussions anymore.......Im stubborn!

I am out!

Werd, I'm also stubborn. Its cool though, I know Israel isn't handling everything perfect also and I'm aware that the situation truly blows. I'd just like to know how you expect Israel to act. Aside from that, nice arguing with ya lol.

 

[Slammed 5,000+ posts]

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[AcidicDreams 10+ year member]

welp since your not reading it, oh well waste of effort I guess
but to clarify

1) didnt post the link to say it was fact , I posted it to tell the other guy that it WAS NOT a good idea to post segments of articles , out of context

2) and I didnt say the US gave israel the land, if it read that way--mistake in tense (we both know the EU/britain and the UN did--but doesnt negate that is was GIVEN),

I wrote/meant we (the US) helped facilitate israeli growth through some economic/technological/military help. seems a little curious as to why israel- receives ANNUALLY -since 1949 2BILLION + of us taxpayer money

and we complain about income tax lol

cant just be because of the old testament? and because they used to live there?

I have no issues against israeli having a country, defending its current country even if by force, as thats the way it goes through history

but dont make it like it was WITHOUT force or ill itent and without some provocation of their ow-- with respect to the palestinians, and make it like its ONLY the palestinians that are causing the past confilcts and event his current one

3) intent is subjective. especially in war. He who wins writes the best story--since it seems that all of this is worth it because the terrorist kidnapped 2, 4 or 7 soldiers??

guess I think there is something larger in the works, at least that is what history dictates.

sure took a lot more for the US to go into iraq, and afghanistan at least

Ohh reginald............. I DISAGREE :Speeds Away:

anywho, those two TC2+'s pound like hell... I'm giving them ~800w (total guess) in 3cu ft. I'm running them 1 ohm on a memphis belle... I'm quite pleased with them.

ohh and there is alot more two it than a handful of captured soldiers. They been dealing with indiscriminate terrorism for years. Add that to the fact that service is cumpulsiary (they might not WANT to be there as say an American soldier would) and that terrorists have quite a bad reputation when it comes to hostage handling. If I were a Jew I'd already be planning my own genocide... but I'm a bit of a hot head when I'm repeatedly ****ed with....

 

[Chevillac 5,000+ posts]

anyone see that?

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3275886,00.html

 

[Chevillac 5,000+ posts]

wow. Israel is over there ****in shit up. Anyone else watching CNN?