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[turbo 10+ year member]

Nitrous does work well with turbos and no it is not a wast of money.

And I agree that you have to do work to your engine to use it. If you pot nitrous on a Stock engine with anything over 30000 on the odometer then your asking for trouble.

As for the fact that nitrous is not real power because it,s not always ther so what, you get the fuel economy of a lower powered engine when it's of and when its on you get power.

 

[RangerMan Premium Member]

If you have a turbo, NOS itself says that there is no need for the Nitrous.

 

[JTz62 10+ year member]

Originally posted by turbo Nitrous does work well with turbos and no it is not a wast of money.

 

And I agree that you have to do work to your engine to use it. If you pot nitrous on a Stock engine with anything over 30000 on the odometer then your asking for trouble.

As for the fact that nitrous is not real power because it,s not always ther so what, you get the fuel economy of a lower powered engine when it's of and when its on you get power.

Putting nitrous on a stock motor just has "rice" written all over it.

 

[turbo 10+ year member]

I agree with you

but nitrous on a well built moter can work

 

[RangerMan Premium Member]

Originally posted by turbo I agree with you

but nitrous on a well built moter can work

But not with a turbo...

 

[turbo 10+ year member]

Yes it will

I don't use NOS I use nitrous works

 

[RangerMan Premium Member]

Originally posted by turbo Yes it will

I don't use NOS I use nitrous works

Nope, Nope, Nope...look at a NOS FAQ...

 

[RangerMan Premium Member]

I think you are confused...there are some BENEFITS to NOS with a turbo, but no significate hp gain...therfore not making it worth it. It just gets rid of turbo "lag" which most turbos no longer have anyway...just another form of marketing voodoo as jlaine says...

 

[turbo 10+ year member]

It worked for me

 

[RangerMan Premium Member]

How many hp????

 

[chris229 10+ year member]

first nitrous ISN'T flammable. IT is an oxidzer. IT isn't flammable at ANY PRESSURE. What it does do it give the combustion chamber A HIGHER PRECENTAGE OF OXYGEN when it decomposes. Nitrous contains 36% oxygen which is a boost over the 21% in the air. What the higher precentage means is that you can add more GAS the FUEL to the combustion chamber for the same air volume. If you didn't add more fuel as with turbo/super charger/high compression you would be oxidizing the fuel TOO fast produing HIGH TEMPS [runing lean] nitrous doesn't damage motors. The installer who doesn't reconfig the fuel requirements what damages the motor. The same would happen with runing lean on a turbo/super charger/ high compression. So it not the nitrous it's the retard who doesn't understand the way a motor works. If is stupid to say I rather blow $10,000 on high compression heads,slug pistions, lock wire head gaskets,cams, rockers and porting when it is DOING THE SAME THING THE NITROUS IS. anyone who tells you that turbo/super chargers/high compression and nitrous makes DIFFERENT POWER or CHEAP power doesn't understand the most basic thing about a motor. The FASTER you can get MORE FUEL & AIR into a motor the MORE power you make. What ever the method you use you just adding more fuel and air nothing else. One benifit of nitrous is that it only on when you push the botton. WIth all other means of adding power they are ALWAYS ON STRAINING YOUR MOTOR. With nitrous your motor runs normal and under normal stress. Then you push the botton making the power. Because it's not on all the time it not wearing on the motor like the others are =LESS WEAR

 

[chris229 10+ year member]

this is why turbines make the most power. They ram huge volume of air and add tons of fuel into the combustion chamber then light it off @20-100Psi of boost. They don't have to worry about preignition OR detonation as a turbine tries to make the MOST CALORIC HEAT. The only limit turbines have is the metallurgy. The TEMP the metals can withstand.

 

[ss3079 5,000+ posts]

1. NOS does not work well with a turbo. A turbo compresses the incoming air, which in turn heats it. Run NOS through it and it will reduce the intake charge by 75 degrees or more, which I dont believe would be all that safe in a weak engine. Sure it gets rid of turbo lag but its not like you have the nitrous running all the time so it's a temporary fix.

2. Q: Is nitrous oxide flammable?

A: No. Nitrous oxide by itself is non-flammable. However, the oxygen present in nitrous oxide causes combustion of fuel to take place more rapidly.

Q: Will nitrous oxide cause detonation?

A: Not directly. Detonation is the result of too little fuel present during combustion (lean) or too low of an octane of fuel. Too much ignition advance also causes detonation. In general, most of our kits engineered for stock type engines will work with premium type fuels and minimal decreases of ignition timing. In racing application where higher compression ratios are used, resulting in higher cylinder pressures, a higher fuel octane must be used as well as more ignition retard.

Straight from the NOS site ^^^

 

[chris229 10+ year member]

intake back fires occur because of a sticking valve OR incomplete burning in the cylinder leaving hot embers of carbon. The intake valve sticks open and the cylinder fires leaking the hot gasses into the intake. As you know on ANY system the intake contains fuel and air. so BOOM. With the incomplete burning--- as the air enters the cylinder it contacts the ember and BOOM. This effects ALL systems and not just nitrous.

 

[chris229 10+ year member]

Originally posted by ss3079 1. NOS does not work well with a turbo.

this is false the created heat on the nitrous burn spools the turbo up faster then normal

A turbo compresses the incoming air, which in turn heats it. Run NOS through it and it will reduce the intake charge by 75 degrees or more, which I dont believe would be all that safe in a weak engine.

first of all you don't want heated air coming into the motor as it causes detonation and preignition PLUS the hotter the air the LESS AIR that is in it .BOILS LAW. This is why you see turbo/super charger co. addind after coolers.

Sure it gets rid of turbo lag but its not like you have the nitrous running all the time so it's a temporary fix.

turbo lag is only in the low RPM as their isn't enough hot gass to spin the turbine.

2. Q: Is nitrous oxide flammable?

A: No. Nitrous oxide by itself is non-flammable. However, the oxygen present in nitrous oxide causes combustion of fuel to take place more rapidly.

Q: Will nitrous oxide cause detonation?

A: Not directly. Detonation is the result of too little fuel present during combustion (lean) or too low of an octane of fuel. Too much ignition advance also causes detonation. In general, most of our kits engineered for stock type engines will work with premium type fuels and minimal decreases of ignition timing. In racing application where higher compression ratios are used, resulting in higher cylinder pressures, a higher fuel octane must be used as well as more ignition retard.

That part is true for any system. the more turbo/super charger/ or compression you use the MORE OCTANE and LESS TIMING you need. As they are more prone to PREIGNITE[octane] and faster burning[timing]