After all they're not bad at all.

[snoopdan 5,000+ posts]

Well if your friend is also from Jersey there is no telling what is making his sub rot. I don't think you can blame that on JL.

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[req 5,000+ posts]

la la la idmax la la la

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Any sub can sound good in the right enclosure ...
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[helotaxi 5,000+ posts]

Yesterday I looked at my cousins year old 12w6v2 and the rubber around the speaker cone is rotted

I had a set of original 10w6s whose surrounds dry rotted. It was solely because of where they were being stored. I have a 10w1 that is 14 years old and in perfect shape. The environment not the sub is to blame.

and My brother has the HO110R-W7 rattled apart you can very loudly hear the wood rattle ling specially in the low notes, so much for JL claiming "Rock Solid" built.

You probably hear mech noise from the sub as it unloads below the tuning freq of the enclosure. If its actually a defect in manufacture JL will take care of it. How about really finding out what the deal is before coming on a forum and making a bunch of uneducated conjecture on something that you seem to have very little real knowlege of. Case in point...

If JL is aware of this subs capabilities, why didnt they just "glued" the enclosure together. Even I know that glue under some circumstances may fail, specially in the trunk of a car where the temperature and moisture constantly changes.

If you had half a clue about enclosure constructino you would know that wood glue is the bar none BEST way to hold an MDF enclosure together. The wood will fail before the glue. It doesn't fail unless it was just a bad joint. If that was the case, it would be covered under warranty.
Thanks for creating one of the dumbest threads this week.

 

[BMW Sidewayz 10+ year member]

1st of all, I make sure of what I anylize before I come here and make statements. Its the enclosure. I placed my fingers where the enclosure comes together, the wood is definety loose. We placed 3 wood screws on each side and the rattle went away. I've been in the car stereo scene for a respectable time worked at the sales dept in few stores that carries high-end stuff. So for you to say that I come to this forum and voice my dumb opinions is bs.

My purpose of this threat is not to Make False Statements about JL, but to bring forth some defects and make some of us aware of it. Thats all. I dont care whether JL sells or not. makes me no difference.

And while taking the sub out the box I discovered that the spyder is also damaged.

I have the pictures of the rotting surround, Can anyone tell me how to post?

 

[Polecat 5,000+ posts]

host your pics on photobucket, or imageshack, then post

 

[helotaxi 5,000+ posts]

1st of all, I make sure of what I anylize before I come here and make statements. Its the enclosure. I placed my fingers where the enclosure comes together, the wood is definety loose. We placed 3 wood screws on each side and the rattle went away. I've been in the car stereo scene for a respectable time worked at the sales dept in few stores that carries high-end stuff. So for you to say that I come to this forum and voice my dumb opinions is bs.

Some of the most audio dumb people I have met have worked in the sales dept. of stores selling higher end gear...draw whatever conclusion you want from that. If there was a defect in the enclosure, then you should have gotten it replaced under warranty. If you didn't do that you are once again an idiot. Also if you didn't attempt to get the problem remedied by the manufacturer and instead decided to come on here and bash a company without even giving them a chance to make a problem right, what does that say about your intentions?

My purpose of this threat is not to trash talk about JL, but to bring forth some defects and make some of us aware of it. Thats all. I dont care whether JL sells or not. makes me no difference.

Well since all you have done this entire thread is talk trash about JL I feel safe in calling you either a liar or delusional.

And while taking the sub out the box I discovered that the spyder is also damaged.

Likely caused by being used in a box that you knew was damaged. I'm gonna guess that you just kept wailing on it even though you suspected a problem?

 

[BMW Sidewayz 10+ year member]

Pardon for taking so long and thanks for the advice Polecat!

 

[King Alpha 10+ year member]

For example, Yesterday I looked at my cousins year old 12w6v2 and the rubber around the speaker cone is rotted //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/eek.gif.771b7a90cf45cabdc554ff1121c21c4a.gif and My brother has the HO110R-W7 rattled apart you can very loudly hear the wood rattle ling specially in the low notes, so much for JL claiming "Rock Solid" built. How can it be possible for products from a such highly credited company like JL have such defects? There's no xcuse for the surround to rot

I've owned a pair of both 10w6v2s and S12L7s, so I'm basing my opinion on my experiences with these products.

So, did your pair of 10w6v2s crap on you? You say your basing your opinion on your experiences because you owned it, but all that crap happened to your cousin and brother. I guessing yours are fine.

About JL, I owned a pair of original 12w6s (which I bought used) for over 10 years before the foam surround started falling apart. It was my fault, because I still used my trunk for storage even with the sub box back there. And I don't know about that idea that newer models become cheaper and break faster then older models. The w6v2s look so much stronger then the old w6. But then again, when I retired my w6s, I got an Adire Brahma Mark3 that was frozen out of the box. So I guess it's true there.

BTW, I was able to fix the surround. It plays just as hard as when I got it. (It's in my brother's car now, and he might get a JL12w6AE to add to it.

 

[BMW Sidewayz 10+ year member]

So, did your pair of 10w6v2s crap on you? You say your basing your opinion on your experiences because you owned it, but all that crap happened to your cousin and brother. I guessing yours are fine.

One of them was making a strange sound when I pushed it in ( not the Voice coil touching the motor) but it was barely noticable and I didnt notice any cracks on the rubber surround.

BTW: Can the ported enclosure be the reason behind it all? Anyone here owned a w6v2 sub thats been used daily for over a year?

Eventho it sounds like I have a personal dislike in JL Audio, I dont. Why would I go and spend over $2000 on JL Audio products? But I guess its easier to insult someone rather than try to understand his point of view.

Not agree, but to understand.

2 10w6v2 on a JL custom enclosure *CVS210RG-W6v2*

1000/1

300/4

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[lebomb 10+ year member]

Pardon for taking so long and thanks for the advice Polecat!

Dude.....to do that much damage.....spider torn and surround torn......You OVERDROVE those subs big time!!!! What type of enclosure was it in? and How much power did you have going to that sub?

You over extended that sub......so its not the subs fault, its USER ERROR!!!

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LMAO............that surround isnt rotten......its RIPPED.....and so is the spider!!!!

 

[BMW Sidewayz 10+ year member]

Dude.....to do that much damage.....spider torn and surround torn......You OVERDROVE those subs big time!!!! What type of enclosure was it in? and How much power did you have going to that sub?
You over extended that sub......so its not the subs fault, its USER ERROR!!!

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LMAO............that surround isnt rotten......its RIPPED.....and so is the spider!!!!

Ummm. Putting thought into it, yes I have to agree with you. Looks like it over extended once too many times. I guess that sub handles alot more xcursions then it was intended to. Thats why the adhesive holding the spider together failed, It was taking most of the abuse.

The amp is a 500/1 and the sub is installed in a ported enclosure (non-JL) and it belongs to a family member and I know he has NO knowledge. Good way of explaining it . i was really concerned of happening to me if I bought a pair, which Im looking to do.

 

[bikinpunk 10+ year member]

and I would like to know what some of the members have to say, aside from Feeeg, NOOB, ETC.

Ummm, I've had my 12w7 for nearly 2 years and haven't had any rotting...maybe he shouldn't have left it out in the rain?

 

[bikinpunk 10+ year member]

I'm seeing alot of nonsense here.

For you to say that the HO wedge wasn't designed right is idiotic. JL built the sub. Wouldn't JL also know the best way to build the box? Depending on your tastes, you may disagree, but for their purpose, the JL boxes are very high quality.

I have a ProWedge sitting in my barn. It's been there for over a year. Nothing wrong with it at all. Just sitting there. It's glued completely around. No screws. It's built with 1" thick MDF and a double front baffle. Far better than most DIY boxes I've seen here.

 

[Shortbuskid 10+ year member]

Ive had eD A series subs, their O series subs, re XXX 12, and a tempest. I decided to get a smaller setup for the new car I was getting and having a 100 pound sub\box wasnt a priority at all.

I currently have a single 10L7 and I am also pretty **** happy with the output and how it sounds. Keeps up with all types of music I listen to and is taking appx 1000wrms daily.

Couldnt be happier.

 

[BMW Sidewayz 10+ year member]

I'm seeing alot of nonsense here.
For you to say that the HO wedge wasn't designed right is idiotic. JL built the sub. Wouldn't JL also know the best way to build the box? Depending on your tastes, you may disagree, but for their purpose, the JL boxes are very high quality.

I have a ProWedge sitting in my barn. It's been there for over a year. Nothing wrong with it at all. Just sitting there. It's glued completely around. No screws. It's built with 1" thick MDF and a double front baffle. Far better than most DIY boxes I've seen here.

Thats what I thought, If JL designed the sub, they shud be able to desin the perfect enclosure, in which I think they did, but I guess Im wrong if it makes you feel better.

Dude.....to do that much damage.....spider torn and surround torn......You OVERDROVE those subs big time!!!! What type of enclosure was it in? and How much power did you have going to that sub?

You over extended that sub......so its not the subs fault, its USER ERROR!!!

LMAO............that surround isnt rotten......its RIPPED.....and so is the spider!!!!

squeak9798

I would have to agree that I'm more inclined to suspect abuse/improper maintenance on the part of the owners than the products just failing after a very brief period of time. Products rattling apart and rotting surrounds typically don't "just happen". Sounds to me like you have some friends/relatives who don't know how to take care of their equipment.

JL products are good quality products. They may not fit within your price range, and you may feel you can get just as good of a product for a lower price from other companies.....but they are well designed and well constructed products none-the-less. Are they 100% failure free? Nope, and no product is.

Best explanation from .squeak9798 and lebomb, which took the time out to explain instead of trying to make me out to be a liar, noob an idiot... etc. Thanks guys for making me understand. This thread is no longer valid. point Proven!//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif