Added nitrous to my car.

[bbka 10+ year member]

i will eat my own shit if that thing puts that power out and still gets that kind of economy.

Haha you better start eating shit then. Have you never heard of tuning before? A honda could make 3 times that amount of power and still get 30mpg. Obviously only if you drive it normal and never get on the throttle, easy freeway driving for example. If your doing rippers everytime you get in the car, of course the mileage goes down.

 

[bimmer540i 10+ year member]

A honda could make 3 times that amount of power and still get 30mpg.

that was a stupid statement.

 

[yacob.naif 10+ year member]

Haha you better start eating shit then. Have you never heard of tuning before? A honda could make 3 times that amount of power and still get 30mpg. Obviously only if you drive it normal and never get on the throttle, easy freeway driving for example. If your doing rippers everytime you get in the car, of course the mileage goes down.

have YOU never heard of tuning before?

you may be able to run moderate levels of boost on stock internals, but to make any real power, changes need to be made to the timing, and compression of a naturally aspirated engine in order to not detonate under boost, so unless you have some magical system for modifying valve/ignition timing, fueling, and compression on the fly, you will lose economy 100% of the time, regardless of whether or not you're in boost.

and unless you're running an aftermarket ecu, the factory computer chipset on a n/a car doesn't have the flexibility or the correct inputs to measure a boosted situation, so your fuel map isn't flexible enough to have full variation for fueling in boosted and non-boosted situations, so a comprimise must be made. You have to fuel the car somewhere just rich enough to not blow your engine under boost, and just lean enough not to stall or spew out tons of smoke and foul your plugs when you're not under boost. Neither of which are ideal for economy.

 

[Eugenics 5,000+ posts]

Haha you better start eating shit then. Have you never heard of tuning before? A honda could make 3 times that amount of power and still get 30mpg. Obviously only if you drive it normal and never get on the throttle, easy freeway driving for example. If your doing rippers everytime you get in the car, of course the mileage goes down.

The fuel system alone that it would take to supply the fuel for ~600hp in a four cylnder would simply not allow for that kind of economy. You could try using a boost controler and lowering the output of the turbo, but you would be subject to many variables and someone such as your self who dosen't know much about tuning of fuel systems would probably just be running rich the whole time anyway. Kind of defeating the purpose.

I my self am currently having a vehcile built... or... rebuilt. I was going to use the stock KA block of my 240 but the headgasket blew and i figure if im going to put a new block in it midas well be something different. I was going to use a rb25det but my friend (the guy building it for me) is off to japan for about a year to do some work and is planning on bringing a S15 and damaged S14 back (that will be the donor for my car). We will just use my turbo setup on the SR block and stroke it to 2.2l in a quest for decent torque. Probably use the ****** too as the current one dosen't have syncro's. Thats if we dont put it in the S15 to replace its 6spd. I can't say much more about it though. its hush hush

I will post pictures of the exterior soon though, Lemans sunset orange s14 with black wheels and polished lips is kinda sexy, not gonna lie.

 

[Eugenics 5,000+ posts]

have YOU never heard of tuning before?
you may be able to run moderate levels of boost on stock internals, but to make any real power, changes need to be made to the timing, and compression of a naturally aspirated engine in order to not detonate under boost, so unless you have some magical system for modifying valve/ignition timing, fueling, and compression on the fly, you will lose economy 100% of the time, regardless of whether or not you're in boost.

and unless you're running an aftermarket ecu, the factory computer chipset on a n/a car doesn't have the flexibility or the correct inputs to measure a boosted situation, so your fuel map isn't flexible enough to have full variation for fueling in boosted and non-boosted situations, so a comprimise must be made. You have to fuel the car somewhere just rich enough to not blow your engine under boost, and just lean enough not to stall or spew out tons of smoke and foul your plugs when you're not under boost. Neither of which are ideal for economy.

you beat me too it.

not to mention the d block in the civics is a DOG.

The goal with my car is to have something perfectly streetable that is practical. Yet still has balls at the road course, track, whatever. We are working on issues with the vac. system. Trying to get it to run at ~3 psi to conserve fuel and still be able to go upto around 15+ psi when i want some balls, on the fly without any issues at all. Harder then it seems

 

[phyphoestilic 5,000+ posts]

you beat me too it.
not to mention the d block in the civics is a DOG.

The goal with my car is to have something perfectly streetable that is practical. Yet still has balls at the road course, track, whatever. We are working on issues with the vac. system. Trying to get it to run at ~3 psi to conserve fuel and still be able to go upto around 15+ psi when i want some balls, on the fly without any issues at all. Harder then it seems

but do u have NOS? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif :laugh: //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif :laugh:

 

[Eugenics 5,000+ posts]

but do u have NOS? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif :laugh: //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif :laugh:

i do not, and will never.

but that dosen't mean i can't put nos stickers all over my car!

 

[bbka 10+ year member]

Haha what the hell are you guys talking about? You guys realize I can drive around all day and never boost my car right? Meaning it won't **** much more gas than it normally would N/A when tuned well. It sounds like you guys have an idea, but seriously know what your talking about before you make misinformed comments lol.

I am running the a chipped p28 ECU and using Uberdata to tune it. You can change fuel maps, ignition maps, rev limits, vtec, etc... anything you want basically. I am running 450cc DSM injectors, so in boost they provide plenty of fuel (up to about 300whp at the stock fuel pressue), yet when in vaccum (normal driving and not boosting) they get great gas mileage when tuned well with a wideband o2 sensor. The stock compression in my car is 9.2:1, which if you knew anything about hondas is perfect for boost. Most high horsepower 500+ whp hondas you see are running 9:1 to 10:1 compression. The fuel system? Umm larger injectors, let's say about 900cc and a Walbro can support 500whp with the stock fuel lines and stock fpr. Tune them well and you will get GREAT fuel economy out of boost.

 

[bimmer540i 10+ year member]

Who the hell would want to waste money on a 500hp honda?

 

[bbka 10+ year member]

Who the hell would want to waste money on a 500hp honda?

What a stupid statement, obviously if you could understand anything I have said you would know. They get good gas mileage, they are easy and fairly cheap to make fast, and they are very reliable. Put a stock GSR in a hatchback with a decent turbo kit and you have an 11 second 300whp reliable honda for not a lot of money.

So since I proved all you guys wrong, let's get back on topic and make fun of the guy that put nitrous on his saturn!

 

[j3bus2k3 5,000+ posts]

Who the hell would want to waste money on a 500hp honda?

Its our generations version of the muscle car era...

 

[bimmer540i 10+ year member]

I'd still rather have a muscle car. And you can get those for what, 4 grand with 400 hp or more.

 

[saywhat? 5,000+ posts]

that thing is hidious and gay. I would not dream of driving that piece, or any other neon for that matter. But if i had to chose, i'd rock a stock srt-4 8 days a week over that one.

it is an srt-4 LOL. pictures dont do the car justice. It has full srt-4 suspension, discs, and built axles, turbo back exhaust, and a few other goodies.

Your a mustang guy, and pretty much hate anything without an 8 cylinder, so your opinion doesnt count anyways.

 

[saywhat? 5,000+ posts]

that thing is hidious and gay. I would not dream of driving that piece, or any other neon for that matter. But if i had to chose, i'd rock a stock srt-4 8 days a week over that one.

hell, Joel (vetkilr) gets 600 to the wheels and 20-25 on the highway when he sets it up for trips from what he says. A properly built motor can stand up to the gas prices for the most part.

 

[bbka 10+ year member]

The fuel system alone that it would take to supply the fuel for ~600hp in a four cylnder would simply not allow for that kind of economy. You could try using a boost controler and lowering the output of the turbo, but you would be subject to many variables and someone such as your self who dosen't know much about tuning of fuel systems would probably just be running rich the whole time anyway. Kind of defeating the purpose.

Haha you know nothing about hondas, tuning, or fuel systems do you? Dude you know that you can't lower boost with a boost controller right? Haha seriously just stop talking. Go here if you want to learn something... http://www.evans-tuning.com