12" l7's ****

[bigbangtheory 5,000+ posts]

I say try the CVX's. I am sure you would be more than happy with them.

 

[thegreatestpenn 5,000+ posts]

SQ has more to do with the install than the sub. The sub does matter, but imaging and box-building skill is much more important IMO. Here's my example: When I had a pair of e12k44's to play with I put them in 3 different boxes. The first was a cheap prefab tuned to 40 Hz made out of particle board. They didn't sound good at all. The second box was a quality prefab made out of 3/4 mdf and tuned to 40 Hz. It got louder and sounded better than the previous prefab, but barely scratched the surface on the lows. last, I built a custom box for them out of mdf tuned to 33Hz and they were amazing. Many people criticize L7's because they hear them in a huge ported box that is built for getting loud and nothing else. When the time is put in to give a more flat, consistent response, I'm sure the sub will sound better. its not even about sealed or ported, its about involving more than just the sub and box into the equation. The vehicle must be accounted for as well

 

[krisfnbz 10+ year member]

^exactly

 

[littledude 10+ year member]

x2 that is true, i have 2 15's in a 10ft^3 tuned at 35hz, i think the sq is alright, it is better than my 2 12" type R's, my friend had one 15" l7 in a 2.5 ft^3 i made him and i loved the way that thing sounded.

 

[Polecat 5,000+ posts]

I really hate when people mention the SQ championships as a testimonial to the sub's ability. Gary Biggs could make an Abahn sound amazing, for one. And for two, those systems are judged at a relatively low listening level. No offense to you Polecat, and not taking away from the driver's capabilities, but to state Gary Bigg's as an example of what the sub can do isn't really a good real-world example. I hate it when people mention it, because then I have to look like an asshat when I say this. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif Just trying to keep some perspective here.

I didn't state Gary's name, if you look above, we still win SQ, like this year at NOPI, USACi, IASCA, etc...and NO, I'm not just talking about Biggs, I'm talking present. My comment was just for generalization that they **** in SQ, can be also proved, at high levels of competition, can STILL win, over similar woofers.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

I didn't state Gary's name, if you look above, we still win SQ, like this year at NOPI, USACi, IASCA, etc...and NO, I'm not just talking about Biggs, I'm talking present. My comment was just for generalization that they **** in SQ, can be also proved, at high levels of competition, can STILL win, over similar woofers.

Tracy, Im not saying L7's **** at SQ. But I am saying that rattling off SQ championships is not a good example of the sub's real-wprld capabilities. Again, professional SQ installers/competitors, and a system that is judged at low listening levels. The further the speaker is pushed, the more its weaknesses (or strengths) will show through. L7's strength is its output, its weakness is accuracy. That's the nature of the beast, clearly that was its design intention. Nobody decides to make square cones for the sound quality aspect of it.
Kicker made square subs, great. Kicker wants to claim the benefits in output based on this design. Also great. But, what I do not like, is Kicker (or Kicker fans) pretending there is no compromises made in the design in terms of SQ. A large, relatively heavy cone, with stiffening ribs to help it maintain its shape without warping under stress... is not the recipe for a SQ speaker. Its the recipe for a sub trying to get the most Sd possible, for a street beater. You know it, I know it. Play to the sub's strengths, but to play it up as some world champion level SQ sub also, is not being true to the design.

Again, no disrepect to Kicker, or you Tracy. But I think its unfair to boast the benefits of a speaker design, and pretend the drawbacks do not exist.

Cheers. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[Polecat 5,000+ posts]

Why not boast accurate information, whether it be street level (most SQ awards this year, were 'consumer' entries by the way) to contridict on the 'lack of SQ' because of shape comments?

Just saying that they 'can' have SQ, and 'can' have good output would be more accurate, then saying there is no way it can have SQ. That, is proven, whether in street cars, prefessional cars, daily beaters, etc,etc. there are too many 'street' variables in what sounds good to me, may not to someone else. Question is, whom is correct? Answer, we both are.

Also, we see arguments that woofer "X' has 35mm xamx, so it has to sound amazing. Which we can agree is incorrect, becasue 'real' what you and I consider SQ, is at low volumes, where that much xmax would never be used.

How we intended it to be, and what it has done in both SQ, and SPL, is what the designer of the car it's in has done, not us, we just state what it has done, as accuratly as possible.

With ALL drivers, none are perfect, none are unaccessable to possible damage, none go above or beyond what the user can push through it, or resistance to damage. I surely don't state that and hope it's not assumed that way.

But I can say, just from what I see on my side, is it, or about any woofer can be used for SPL or SQ, when they system is applied, for such job.

Cheers back buddy, never no hard feelings, all good conversation. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Why not boast accurate information, whether it be street level (most SQ awards this year, were 'consumer' entries by the way) to contridict on the 'lack of SQ' because of shape comments?Just saying that they 'can' have SQ, and 'can' have good output would be more accurate, then saying there is no way it can have SQ. That, is proven, whether in street cars, prefessional cars, daily beaters, etc,etc. there are too many 'street' variables in what sounds good to me, may not to someone else. Question is, whom is correct? Answer, we both are.

Also, we see arguments that woofer "X' has 35mm xamx, so it has to sound amazing. Which we can agree is incorrect, becasue 'real' what you and I consider SQ, is at low volumes, where that much xmax would never be used.

How we intended it to be, and what it has done in both SQ, and SPL, is what the designer of the car it's in has done, not us, we just state what it has done, as accuratly as possible.

With ALL drivers, none are perfect, none are unaccessable to possible damage, none go above or beyond what the user can push through it, or resistance to damage. I surely don't state that and hope it's not assumed that way.

But I can say, just from what I see on my side, is it, or about any woofer can be used for SPL or SQ, when they system is applied, for such job.

Cheers back buddy, never no hard feelings, all good conversation. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

I didn't mean to imply your information was inaccurate. The L series have won SQ awards/comps, no doubt about it. I just think when mentioning such things, maybe an asterisk would be in order.
The L series squares fill a niche in the market quite nicely. Better than I must admit I thought they would when they first came out. But your sub line lacks a true good SQ sub. The L5 and the L7 are not that sub. Very well designed subs for what their intended purpose is, but lets face it, that's not its purpose. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif That is not to say it cannot be made to sound good, or even great, under the right circumstances... highly skilled installer, low listening levels, etc. But its bread n butter is clearly its quantity of output, not its quality of output.

What this boils down to, is my same old story with you. I want to see Kicker/Stillwater design another good, round, true SQ (or SQL) sub like the solo's of old. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

Thanks for taking my opinion here in the good natured way it was intended. You know I have nothing but respect for you. Id just like to see Kicker expand out its flagship subs from the square design to something newer, and with no corners. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

Have a good one.

 

[Exploder 97 10+ year member]

god you guys type to much, there just ****en subwoofers shit,,, no pun intended

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

god you guys type to much, there just ****en subwoofers shit,,, no pun intended

Then how about heading back over to your knitting forum. This is a subwoofer forum, we talk about subwoofers here. Do not be alarmed.

 

[GrnZ28 10+ year member]

^^^ haha

 

[MTXman 10+ year member]

you like rap? port these bishes, they get loud.

 

[Echo42987 10+ year member]

I use mine for SQ!

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-Nick-

 

[I love bass 10+ year member]

you like rap? port these bishes, they get loud.

yessssssssir

 

[Polecat 5,000+ posts]

Then how about heading back over to your knitting forum. This is a subwoofer forum, we talk about subwoofers here. Do not be alarmed.

what kind of thread do you use on red sweaters? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

like the old round solo,s, maybe listen to smaller sealed CVX, to me, they sound as good, yet handle way more power, than the older SVC C's and D series.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif