12" Fi Car Audio Q vs 12" Stereo Integrity Mag D2 Review

and the subjective portion of the 12's test was wayyy too short, but this was obviously due to logistic issues of having dozens of people sending subs and wanting them back in a timely fashion.
Wish I could have had a whole paragraph to devote to each driver, but 35 woofers in one afternoon = shortened reviews //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif

It sucks, but to have devoted enough time to write a detailed review for each would have taken a month of straight listening or more...and the owners wouldn't have been too happy.

 
Wish I could have had a whole paragraph to devote to each driver, but 35 woofers in one afternoon = shortened reviews //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif
It sucks, but to have devoted enough time to write a detailed review for each would have taken a month of straight listening or more...and the owners wouldn't have been too happy.
very true, i'm sure you could have gone much more in-depth with a day or so with each driver.

i like that dB Dom pointed out the Mag is nearly double the price, and performs in the same category. i think that alone would be the deal maker for me (if i were looking for new subs //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif).

what should be getting compared here is the Q vs. the BM. they're more comparable price-wise.

 
//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/thumbsup.gif.3287b36ca96645a13a43aff531f37f02.gif Best review ive read in a while,although I would like to know how they compare in a ported box //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif
 
Well, first off let me say, this review is my personal subjective evaluation.
It is a direct swap comparison of the Fi Q 12 and the SI Mag 12. My car is a 4 door midsize sedan. The subs were powered by my Incriminator 20.1, Mag wired in parallel to 1.3 DCR, Q wired parallel to .7 DCR. Both drivers were in a snail shell(horn/tl) facing the rear.

Various test material used, ranging from some new ludacris, yung joc, outkast, lil jon, snoop dogg, do or die, a tribe called quest, three 6 mafia, ying yang twins all the way to metallica, eagles, the doors, johhny cash, euphoric midnite bass and bass mekanik and some jazz.

Now let me start off by saying that the obvious power difference of several hundred potential watts is something to consider. However, I found the mag to be more efficient and wouldnt neccessarily benefit from much more power than it was getting. The Q on the other hand loves the extra power, while not as loud as the Mag on low volume the sub came alive at higher volume.

Eagles - Hotel California live, the first bass drum the Q scared the shit out of me, while the mag sounded a bit "hollow" the Q was more full and natural sounding. The Q was also much louder, shook my car pretty good.

Some metallica and it was obvious what everyone likes about the mag, very very quick response, the Q slouched a little bit on the "quickness" but defenitely made up for it with volume.

Smooth Jazz is where I really liked the sound of the Q again, the instruments sounded very natural and full, the bass produced by the mag seemed like it had less presence.

Hip Hop like A Tribe Called Quest, the mag kinda took over. Upper bass is really impressive with the Mag (55-80hz), this is really the boundary of where mids should take over, and the Mag blends beautifully with the front stage. Now I tend to cross my sub a little lower like 60-65 hz, so the Q was a little better for what I need it to do in this deparment. But if you like the upper bass more than the Mag would suit your needs.

With stuff that has alot of kicks and quicker bass like linkin park the mag would take the cake, don't get me wrong the Q is very "quick" but the Mag is simply the "fastest" sub I have heard yet. The mag never skipped a beat, and every beat was very easily distinguished from the next. Something I would expect with lower power levels.

Movng onto the fun stuff, rap and bass music.

First thing I popped in was EMNB, and I was amazed with the loudness of the Q compared to the mag. The mag once again, sounded a little hollow, and a little dissapointing on the sub 25 hz stuff. The Q on the other hand, was simply amazing. Rich full bass, like pure resonance. Dropped lower than the mag, the first track where they do the 10-80 hz steps 20 hz is rediculous with the Q. The other tracks showed off the low end even more.

Next I popped in a new cd with some Rap, and once again the Q proved the victor in this category. It seems like every track was a song I never heard before. It even revelaed some hidden low bass the mag seemed to miss. Lil jon - throw it up was sick, the bass made my scalp tickle, with the mag, it was rather dissapointing. The Q had much better transient response. I could defenitely feel it more than I could hear it like with the mag.

Overall, in my application the Q was the clear winner. I was able to get more power out of my amp and the low end that I was missing quite a bit.

The Q - Much better 20-50 hz, with awesome low end and great transient response. It benefits from more power, but you need good midbass to keep up.

The Mag - Rules over the 40-80 hz region. It is very efficient and does not neccassarily need gobs of power. Great response and it blends very well. I dont have an RTA but the mag seemed a bit flatter than the Q.

I really have to say that both are terrific drivers, as far a build quality and everything else.

Now the price point is a big difference with these subs. The mag was originally 350 shipped direct and the Q is 260 shipped direct. With this price point it would be a hard decision, but I would go with the Q everytime(it just fits my tastes for bass better).

Now that the price on the Mag skyrocketed, you can almost get 2 Qs for the price of one mag. I think the choice is obvious with these prices.

I would say the Q is better for rap and music with heavy bass where you really want to feel the low bass.

The Mag on the other hand, is better for a SQ system where you listen to alot of Rock, and defenitely dont mind sacrificing output for sound quality.

If you have any questions feel free to ask.
I read your entire post, but didn't have time to read the entire thread. So sorry if this was already discussed.

But I am very interested to know if you will do some tests with different enclosures. I am sure the results are going to be different depending on what types of enclosures are used.

Also, I know you are just going by ear, and that many already more scientific tests have been done on these drivers, but I still would be very interested in hearing your opinion with some different enclosures used.

Also, I was a little surprised that the mag didn't hit real hard for you in the 27-40hz range. When I was running a pair of them, they sounded great in that range. But that could just be an enclosure issue.

But anyways, thanks for the review. I always enjoy reading stuff like that.

And feel free to pm me with your thoughts.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 
great review, from your install point of view. funny you're the first person i've seen with both drivers that prefered the q (including guys with lots of testing).But like you said the Q works better in your install and thats not argueable.Unfortunately i don't see where SI or FI even recommends the box you used but good review none the less. AS for the guys reading this review, unless you use the same box he's using please take this review with a grain of salt. Just for the fact that you said the Mag didn't hit low as good makes me really beleive that theres a box problem, considering thats the first thing most discovered about the Mag.What makes me laugh is weeks of reviewing subs for the great 12 challenge basically put the Mag on top but one review from db has people saying this review was better than the great 12 challenge. What also makes me laugh is all the guys thinking about buying the Q or owning a Q seem all excited from the only review i've seen that put the Q on top. I haven't heard both but seeing how the guys at FI and the guys at SI seem to pretty much agree and which sub is better, from what i've read. I honestly would be happy with either sub, but glad i got the Mag.

 
So wire them to .35 //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crazy.gif.c13912c32de98515d3142759a824dae7.gif :crazy: //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crazy.gif.c13912c32de98515d3142759a824dae7.gif
md2 will protect @ .35 even for a burp //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif thats why i didnt buy one.

 
great review, from your install point of view. funny you're the first person i've seen with both drivers that prefered the q (including guys with lots of testing).But like you said the Q works better in your install and thats not argueable.Unfortunately i don't see where SI or FI even recommends the box you used but good review none the less. AS for the guys reading this review, unless you use the same box he's using please take this review with a grain of salt. Just for the fact that you said the Mag didn't hit low as good makes me really beleive that theres a box problem, considering thats the first thing most discovered about the Mag.What makes me laugh is weeks of reviewing subs for the great 12 challenge basically put the Mag on top but one review from db has people saying this review was better than the great 12 challenge. What also makes me laugh is all the guys thinking about buying the Q or owning a Q seem all excited from the only review i've seen that put the Q on top. I haven't heard both but seeing how the guys at FI and the guys at SI seem to pretty much agree and which sub is better, from what i've read. I honestly would be happy with either sub, but glad i got the Mag.
very true...

but i think when most people are looking for a sub, price is one of the top priorities because it determinds what they spend on other goodies...and if one can see from a few reviews that a sub that is almost half the price seems to work very well, and close to if not better then the expensive sub in certain occasions then they'd rather buy the sub thats almost half the price...

imo even if the Q was 2db lower then the Mag in every install and situation, its still would be a good deal since its so much cheaper...

but having seen the great 12 and other reviews, the Q truely gives the Mag a run for the money...

 
great review, from your install point of view. funny you're the first person i've seen with both drivers that prefered the q (including guys with lots of testing).But like you said the Q works better in your install and thats not argueable.Unfortunately i don't see where SI or FI even recommends the box you used but good review none the less. AS for the guys reading this review, unless you use the same box he's using please take this review with a grain of salt. Just for the fact that you said the Mag didn't hit low as good makes me really beleive that theres a box problem, considering thats the first thing most discovered about the Mag.What makes me laugh is weeks of reviewing subs for the great 12 challenge basically put the Mag on top but one review from db has people saying this review was better than the great 12 challenge. What also makes me laugh is all the guys thinking about buying the Q or owning a Q seem all excited from the only review i've seen that put the Q on top. I haven't heard both but seeing how the guys at FI and the guys at SI seem to pretty much agree and which sub is better, from what i've read. I honestly would be happy with either sub, but glad i got the Mag.
X2 My thoughts exactly!

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