Does 1 Hertz equal 2 Pioneers

[Zoko]

Hello,
I am doing some research to upgrade/replace my dying subwoofers. I have been running 2 pioneer low profile 10"s in my f150 supercrew cab. Unfortunately they are starting to crackle and I think the cones are starting to separate from the driver. So I am considering the Hertz Mille Pro shallow 10, but the cost begs the question: Would one 500w rms Hertz give me better punch and sound levels that my old 2 pioneers. So if anyone out there has experience with these subs, please drop your knowledge my way.
Thank you.

I should add, I listen to mostly rap music and I enjoy feeling the bass in my chest and as such, I have probably stressed these pioneers to their limit more than a few times.
And my current system is:
HU: Alpine ILX-W650 with Alpine KTA-450
Front Doors: JBL Stadium GTO860C with GTO20M 3 Way upgrade
Rear Doors: JBL Stadium GTO860
Subs: 2 Pioneer TS-SWX2502
Sub Amp: Autotech MMR1500.1

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[hispls 5,000+ posts]

You're probably better off with just the two pioneers for the money. You have 2 major issues fighting you here, one being "space makes bass" which you just don't have without giving up your back seats, and two "there's no replacement for displacement" and you just don't get a lot of air moved from small cone shallow mount woofers and you don't have space to run more cone area.

I wouldn't get carried away spending a pile of money to try to get a "premium" low profile subwoofer. Even the best of the best are simply too limited by the very design and intended application.

You might have a look over to PartsExpress. Sometimes the DIY brands like Dayton or Tang Band have shallow mount options that may be even better bang for the buck than Pioneer/Kenwood type brands.

 

[winkychevelle 10+ year member]

You're probably better off with just the two pioneers for the money. You have 2 major issues fighting you here, one being "space makes bass" which you just don't have without giving up your back seats, and two "there's no replacement for displacement" and you just don't get a lot of air moved from small cone shallow mount woofers and you don't have space to run more cone area.

I wouldn't get carried away spending a pile of money to try to get a "premium" low profile subwoofer. Even the best of the best are simply too limited by the very design and intended application.

You might have a look over to PartsExpress. Sometimes the DIY brands like Dayton or Tang Band have shallow mount options that may be even better bang for the buck than Pioneer/Kenwood type brands.

I'd look at the new alpine type r shallows they are low fs and high excursion similar to the jltw5 design but neo instead of ferrite.

 

[baldwaldo99]

Hello,
I am doing some research to upgrade/replace my dying subwoofers. I have been running 2 pioneer low profile 10"s in my f150 supercrew cab. Unfortunately they are starting to crackle and I think the cones are starting to separate from the driver. So I am considering the Hertz Mille Pro shallow 10, but the cost begs the question: Would one 500w rms Hertz give me better punch and sound levels that my old 2 pioneers. So if anyone out there has experience with these subs, please drop your knowledge my way.
Thank you.

I should add, I listen to mostly rap music and I enjoy feeling the bass in my chest and as such, I have probably stressed these pioneers to their limit more than a few times.
And my current system is:
HU: Alpine ILX-W650 with Alpine KTA-450
Front Doors: JBL Stadium GTO860C with GTO20M 3 Way upgrade
Rear Doors: JBL Stadium GTO860
Subs: 2 Pioneer TS-SWX2502
Sub Amp: Autotech MMR1500.1

What year f150?

 

[Bobbytwonames 5,000+ posts]

Hello,
I am doing some research to upgrade/replace my dying subwoofers. I have been running 2 pioneer low profile 10"s in my f150 supercrew cab. Unfortunately they are starting to crackle and I think the cones are starting to separate from the driver. So I am considering the Hertz Mille Pro shallow 10, but the cost begs the question: Would one 500w rms Hertz give me better punch and sound levels that my old 2 pioneers. So if anyone out there has experience with these subs, please drop your knowledge my way.
Thank you.

I should add, I listen to mostly rap music and I enjoy feeling the bass in my chest and as such, I have probably stressed these pioneers to their limit more than a few times.
And my current system is:
HU: Alpine ILX-W650 with Alpine KTA-450
Front Doors: JBL Stadium GTO860C with GTO20M 3 Way upgrade
Rear Doors: JBL Stadium GTO860
Subs: 2 Pioneer TS-SWX2502
Sub Amp: Autotech MMR1500.1

The JL shallow subwoofer is the best shallow sub that I've ever heard. A little pricey but good.

 

[Zoko]

What year f150?

2011 Xlt supercrew with the fold up back seats

 

[audiobaun 5,000+ posts]

Id prob.run a pair of Skar 10s on that amp for the replacement and saving some funds

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B016IH7XD0/?tag=caraudiocom-20

 

[audiobaun 5,000+ posts]

Hello,
I am doing some research to upgrade/replace my dying subwoofers. I have been running 2 pioneer low profile 10"s in my f150 supercrew cab. Unfortunately they are starting to crackle and I think the cones are starting to separate from the driver. So I am considering the Hertz Mille Pro shallow 10, but the cost begs the question: Would one 500w rms Hertz give me better punch and sound levels that my old 2 pioneers. So if anyone out there has experience with these subs, please drop your knowledge my way.
Thank you.

I should add, I listen to mostly rap music and I enjoy feeling the bass in my chest and as such, I have probably stressed these pioneers to their limit more than a few times.
And my current system is:
HU: Alpine ILX-W650 with Alpine KTA-450
Front Doors: JBL Stadium GTO860C with GTO20M 3 Way upgrade
Rear Doors: JBL Stadium GTO860
Subs: 2 Pioneer TS-SWX2502
Sub Amp: Autotech MMR1500.1

Are you sure you spelt that Brand correctly and model #of the Sub amp?? Im not finding it. To see if its 1 ohm or 2 ohm stable

 

[Jimi77 5,000+ posts]

I agree with the Alpine suggestion. Look at the Alpine Type S, Image Dynamics ID and Dayton Reference. SB Acoustics makes good true shallow mount.

 

[winkychevelle 10+ year member]

You may also consider running a shallow mount ported if it can handle it. Some can some can't.

That autotek amp isn't doing you any favors but if it works it works.

Sundown has the sd4 line and another new line about to launch that is shallow but I'd still say the JL tw5 and alpine r2 shallow mounts are likely the best on the market. Audiomobile makes a shallowish sub that excels in small boxes as well.

 

[mat3833 10+ year member]

Best bang for your buck I would say Dayton HO 10s or 12s. They work well in smaller enclosures, and they are pretty good sounding subs as well

Matt

 

[Bobbytwonames 5,000+ posts]

DD also makes shallow mounts if you have the coin.

 

[Zoko]

Are you sure you spelt that Brand correctly and model #of the Sub amp?? Im not finding it. To see if its 1 ohm or 2 ohm stable

I misread the font on the amp. It's a MMA1500.1
It is 2 ohm stable at 750 watts.

 

[Zoko]

You may also consider running a shallow mount ported if it can handle it. Some can some can't.

That autotek amp isn't doing you any favors but if it works it works.

Sundown has the sd4 line and another new line about to launch that is shallow but I'd still say the JL tw5 and alpine r2 shallow mounts are likely the best on the market. Audiomobile makes a shallowish sub that excels in small boxes as well.

The jl tw5 are too big unfortunately at 13.5 inch. I only have 13x55x5 total box size to work with at best. I might be able to go 6 inches deep but I'd have to remove my foor protectors.

 

[winkychevelle 10+ year member]

The jl tw5 are too big unfortunately at 13.5 inch. I only have 13x55x5 total box size to work with at best. I might be able to go 6 inches deep but I'd have to remove my foor protectors.

Do they not make the 12tw5 anymore? That airspace would be perfect for a 12tw5 or the new alpine r2 10 shallow.

 

[Zoko]

Do they not make the 12tw5 anymore? That airspace would be perfect for a 12tw5 or the new alpine r2 10 shallow.

I only see the JL TW3 series and the TW5v2, I don't see anyone seeing a TW5.
But that circles back to the original question in essence: does 1 sub like that give better results than if I maybe pick up 2 DD SL600 10s that are happy in a .75 ft3 ported box, which would be 1.5 ft3 for 2 in one I think.

 

[winkychevelle 10+ year member]

I only see the JL TW3 series and the TW5v2, I don't see anyone seeing a TW5.
But that circles back to the original question in essence: does 1 sub like that give better results than if I maybe pick up 2 DD SL600 10s that are happy in a .75 ft3 ported box, which would be 1.5 ft3 for 2 in one I think.

Depends. Alot of the time running 2 subs instead of 1 can lead to less than ideal airspace. This often times cuts down on low end response and makes the box naturally peak at a higher frequency.

But 2 subs have more cone area and will naturally have more ability to move air at lower frequencies.

Assuming the fs of the 2 subs is fairly low and the box is close to optimal I'm gonna say that it will be louder and likely cove the same frequency range better.

But if the box is much too small you will lose bottom end. This is where modeling software comes into play especially if you can model in you vehicles cabin gain

Cabin gain is what makes sealed boxes work since sealed boxes usually **** below 40hz. Luckily cabin gain below 40hz usually helps flatten the response.

Looking back at the post I do not believe that the sl610 will be happy in .75cube ported box, you will likely need at least 1 cube if not 1.25 to perform optimally