My first "Active" "SQ'ish" build attempt.

[blazian87 10+ year member]

I got a better look at the car today. I am happy to say it has the door panels with 3 speaker locations in each door which means I can mount the tweeters close to the mid-woofer.

The door panel pic is just for illustration, they are all black in the car I am getting.

The car pic is the actual car... purdy ain't it?

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dude congratz~ that's a sweet ride. Those are hard to come by nowadays. I bet you're gonna have hella fun in that. one suggestion.. have you thought of maybe going 3 way active? It's already made for it and it'll be better for imaging if your tweeter is up top. You already have a full blown dsp, might as well take advantage of the extra 2 channels. It'll be so much more worth the effort IMO. 

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

dude congratz~ that's a sweet ride. Those are hard to come by nowadays. I bet you're gonna have hella fun in that. one suggestion.. have you thought of maybe going 3 way active? It's already made for it and it'll be better for imaging if your tweeter is up top. You already have a full blown dsp, might as well take advantage of the extra 2 channels. It'll be so much more worth the effort IMO. 

Thanks... I thought about the 3 way active real hard, I mean real hard. What I am going to do is as soon as the car is able to be worked on I am going to remove the door panel and do some measuring of ALL three locations, just in case. Once I am able to see the angle of the factory tweeter location I can better make up my mind. If I go 3 way active, I will need another amp. I am not sure I want to run 3 amplifiers though. I don't want to modify anything visible to mount the speakers because I want a stealth system. Most likely I will go 2 way active with the tweeter near the woofer. 3 way is by no means out of the picture. The rear deck speakers are coming out and the holes will be left as pass through holes for the pressure waves from the sub. Since the car is maroon in color I will be using my red and black 12awg speaker wires when I run the wires to the doors. I know... overkill right lol. That leaves me with 100ft of blue and black 12awg speaker wire... I guess I can use that on my sisters new Jeep.

It is very possible that what is in the doors are these pods:

 

[JohnKuthe]

Yeah that's pretty harsh on a vehicle. Either way you'd be better off with a 2wd as the primary dl car. Pretty cool to be able to drive around all day enjoying your system isn't it

Not for a 100%  electric like my Nissan Leaf!

Stop and Go is best, because of regenerative braking! ;-)

John  Kuthe...

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Ok, this is 85% set in stone. Factory G6 head unit into the 3Sixty.3 to the pair of US Acoustics amps. From the 4 channel it will go active to the ScanSpeak Illuminator Tweeters (4ohm) and the ScanSpeak Revelator 7" woofers (4ohm). From the Sub amp actively to the Dayton Audio Ultimax 10" subwoofer (1ohm). I may do a 3 way active up front and use my near mint RF Punch 250a2 on the tweeters. This amp would be hidden if I go this route. There will be a small AGM battery in the trunk along with an amp rack, sub box and other misc. items.

Thoughts?

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Car audio research is exhausting! Ok so upon researching ways to keep all of the G6's DIC (Drivers Information Center) functions with an aftermarket HU, I kept hitting walls but I found that PAC Audio had developed what is needed to achieve this. I wanted to use the Maestro RR as the head units I have selected integrate with it to display the cars information on their screens... but the Pontiac G6 is not listed as compatible.

The PAC Audio kit --> Part Number: RPK4-GM2301 fits '04 - '08 Malibu's and the '05 - '08 Pontiac G6 - all trim levels. I won't be able to view the information on the head units screen but the kit does come with a remote mount module with its own display. So that's fine... this can be hidden and the kit allows a double DIN HU to be installed in the dash. So, problem solved there.

That brings my above pic to 90% set in stone by removing the stock HU and adding to the list the Kenwood eXcelon DMX905S!! There should be NO reason I can't have top quality sound in this car. Because I will be going with the Dayton Ultimax sub I have decided to to a ported enclosure so the face of the sub is fully visible as it is a nice looking subwoofer. When the trunk is opened I want to be able to display the US Acoustics amps, the 3Sixty.3 and the subwoofer.

I am being a little bit anal about things... picking the color of the wires, how the amps will be mounted and displayed, the type of RCA cables (KnuKoncepts Krystal RCA's) because they match the color of the US Acoustics amps well and they are good quality connectors, carpet for the enclosure and amp racks, the color and type of fasteners for the subwoofer... the list goes on. At least I was able to find a kit for the radio.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

My co-worker confirmed that the G6 has the Monsoon stereo in it so the speakers are for sure in the speaker pod pics I posted.

So $199 for the PAC dash kit, $499 - $699 for the eXcelon DD HU. Either the 905S or the 7705S, both are Digital Media Receivers, both play HiRes audio including DSD.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

I spoke with my old co-worker before I went to work today. We discussed purchasing the G6 and we worked all the details out. He said I could move it to my house whenever I want so I can start working on it... You know what that means!!!!! The start of the build is very close!!!

 

[TaylorFade 10+ year member]

I got a better look at the car today. I am happy to say it has the door panels with 3 speaker locations in each door which means I can mount the tweeters close to the mid-woofer.

The door panel pic is just for illustration, they are all black in the car I am getting.

The car pic is the actual car... purdy ain't it?

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You've been given the most wonderful gift of a factory 3-way.

Please use it. You have the processing already.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

You've been given the most wonderful gift of a factory 3-way.

Please use it. You have the processing already.

As soon as the car is here... should be a few days I think... I am going to measure all three areas and see what will fit. That middle mid grill is pretty small though. I don't know what will or could possibly fit there.

 

[TaylorFade 10+ year member]

As soon as the car is here... should be a few days I think... I am going to measure all three areas and see what will fit. That middle mid grill is pretty small though. I don't know what will or could possibly fit there.

https://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/approx-2-fullrange/scanspeak-discovery-5f/8422t-01-2-full-range/

https://hybrid-audio.com/speakers/unity/u2/

I'm just guessing at the size. But either of those would be tits. I own both.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

How much do those Hybrid Audio U2's cost?????? Like I said... If I go three way I will be powering either the tweeters or small mids off a hidden amplifier, my RF Punch 250a2.

 

[TaylorFade 10+ year member]

How much do those Hybrid Audio U2's cost?????? Like I said... If I go three way I will be powering either the tweeters or small mids off a hidden amplifier, my RF Punch 250a2.

I don't recall exactly. But pretty sure they were < $200 for the pair. Quite reasonable for HAT.

Also... Audible Physics makes a kick ass 2" but I couldn't find the link for it. About the same price as the HAT

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

That's not bad at all for a known quality speaker brand. Like you said... I have the DSP already. I have never owned a 3-way set-up. Mounting diameter and depth are all I need to know behind the panel itself so... I will know soon.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

So I stumbled across this picture on a G6 forum. This guy put a 6.5" Silver Flute mid in the bottom and a 1" tweeter in the space above it... Judging by the size of the tweeter, that opening should fit a 3.5" speaker... right? What do you all think?

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Made my first payment on the car. I helped the guy out, the guy that is selling me the car. He was in a bind so I threw some cash at him to hold him over till he gets his first paycheck from his new job. Man he just started talking about the car and apparently he is the original owner. Told me how when he bought it new in '08 he made sure he got everything he could think of... the leather, the heated seats, sunroof, premium Monsoon sound system, remote start, blah blah blah. He told me about the recalls and how they have all been fixed.... other than minor exterior cosmetics, the car is great.

 

[beak81champ]

Nice! Some Aurasound NS-3’s would go nicely in that tweeter hole. Or some Tang Band bamboos.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Nice! Some Aurasound NS-3’s would go nicely in that tweeter hole. Or some Tang Band bamboos.

I have some speakers picked out and I will finalize them as soon as the car is here and I can get the door panels off and measure depth for each speaker location. I did come across my brand new... well new when I bought them like almost three years ago, IDQ65CS components. I bought them for my ex-girlfriends oldest son who joined the Air force. I thought I gave them to him but there they were, buried in the bottom, back of my closet still in the factory box. I have never even listened to them but the salesman said they are "Phenomenal". It wouldn't hurt to try them out and hear how they sound... They are Image Dynamic's after all.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Ok... it is time to get some info and start the planning!!! @shredder2 this is what I have to work with. What specifically and exactly do you recommend for this exact setup? I want to do a single slot port. I listen to bass music with frequencies from the mid 20's and up (20% of the time) to all other music (80% of the time) up to 70ish hertz (Drums, Kick Drums, Bass Guitar, Piano, Jazz Instruments and Acoustic Instruments). I will run the Dayton single 10 all by itself powered by the US Acoustics Mike amplifier. This is not about loud but I imagine that will be a welcome side effect of the sub/amp combo. I want the sub centered on the baffle facing the rear of the trunk with a max of 14in tall from floor to top of the enclosure. I have the skills to build the enclosure with bracing and 45's. Rear deck 6x9 speakers will be removed. Amps will be on an amp rack. I now have all of the specs and they are as follows:

1. Pontiac G6 GT Coupe -
   
   
   Interior Dimensions
   Passenger Volume (ft³) 90.1
   Cargo Area Dimensions
   
   
   
   Trunk Volume (ft³) 12.0
   
   
2. Subwoofer - Dayton Audio UM10-22
   
   Impedance
   
   2+2 ohms
   
   
   Re
   
   3.2 ohms
   
   
   Le
   
   1.28 mH @ 1 kHz
   
   
   Fs
   
   26.9 Hz
   
   
   Qms
   
   3.08
   
   
   Qes
   
   0.59
   
   
   Qts
   
   0.49
   
   
   Mms
   
   227g
   
   
   Cms
   
   0.15 mm/N
   
   
   Sd
   
   327.8 cm²
   
   
   Vd
   
   622.8 cm³
   
   
   BL
   
   14.5 Tm
   
   
   Vas
   
   23.5 liters
   
   
   Xmax
   
   19 mm
   
   
   VC Diameter
   
   63.5 mm
   
   
   SPL
   
   84.8 dB @ 2.83V/1m
   
   
   RMS Power Handling
   
   500 watts
   
   
   
   
3. Amp - US Acoustics Mike 1500w RMS @ 1ohm - I will be running at 1ohm and there will be a second battery in the trunk.
   
   
   
    
   
   
   

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

There is this as well...

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Helped my buddy out again and gave him more money to put towards the purchase of the car... It will be here TUESDAY!!!! No clue where I am going to park it lol.