Certain subwoofers

What other subs was the vs thread on?I built a 1.5cf box for 2 sa8’s and a folded horn (modeled for 2 DD 1508’s) and the horn as loud over a larger bandwidth and was smaller. It did unload if I opened the trunk though.

I’ve seen subs model up poorly but preform great

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Hds and skar zvx I think... ya, the enclosure has a lot to do with whatever you're gonna get as the result I agree. But when a simple ported is requested with a low tune and the driver looks like garbage, high group delay, excursion issues, loss of power handling etc... why market the thing as a low frequency driver a 40-50hz tune is what it really likes?

Really I believe an 8 is for a last option when space is an issue unless multiple drivers and a complicated setup is what you are willing to do. You can't really expect too much when the cone area is so limited and even quality drivers compromise coil size, Spider/softies, coil depths, basket, xmax limitations, etc... some do it better than others I agree but still don't get low as well as a larger driver that's built to get loud and low and handle some power while doin' so. IMHO an 8 CAN be used to get there but only if you realize the results will be limited due to cone area. Jeez people think a set of 8's will compare to whatever they see on YouTube, 4 hds 8's on 7K for example... lol. And even then the video in question lacked any real flex or apparent loudness, just woofer movement IMO. Telling people their goal is unwise or not within the scope of reality constantly is tedious.

Different enclosure types can either enhance range, make it loud at a narrow frequency or just be musical but there's just no getting around the cone area thing. Hi-xmax and power handling can and does obviate the loss of cone to an extent but in the end it still is just an 8 or maybe a set.

That vid with the 8's on 7K would be a lil' different with a set of 12's being driven at least. Built to get low and handle the power the 12's with better coil size, length, suspension, baskets... etc would be getting down on 7K and I'd wager that some flex would be easily visible in the video. Maybe it's me, I just think anything under a 10" sub just is not a true sub (oh, there are exceptions, but even those are compromises) the F8L I looked at seems to be a great result if $199 ea is in your budget. All those $70-120 8's I see being sold that look allright really wont perform to what most people want or expect without using 4 drivers. A SQish install can use 8's to fill in the lower ranges but will never get really loud... and thats my point, people buy these things, expect to throw 1500 watts on em and it'll turn out as some windshield cracking, body flexin' low frequency monster... Just my .02