you guys remember when??

Uhh yea I don't think so....

So, you make $97 after one day.

Now our company grows.

We now have 2 buildings 4 machines, 4 employees. Our utilities also have doubled. Same sub price.
Your understanding of economics is utterly horrible.

You're not "making $97" every day. When you start a business your first sales are not profitable. You also have to sell these products before you can even use this number.

Tell me this, how did you "buy" this new facility you are now working in? Did you just save profit until you had enough to make the purchase of the new building and then buy it outright? No, because you had expenses initially and you had to break even before it was even considered profit! In fact, you probably took out a huge loan to start this business in the first place.

Add in things like health plans for the employees, furniture for the new building, pay raises, inflation, and ultimately.......extra RESEARCH AND DESIGN!

You will find the increased services the company is providing is going to cost you, the consumer, more money. I don't think Fi plans to keep the same lines of subs for the next several years, I imagine they will need to engineer new ones.

That is going to be an addtional cost not factored in the general manufacturing process that you so exquisitely presented to me.

I guess JL Audio would be where they are today if they never increased their costs right? Making stealthboxes in house, driver testing each driver, setting industry benchmarks people are using as a base of comparison 4 years after the release....they got where they are keeping costs the exact same right?

Go back to your macroeconomics 101 class and study a little harder next time.

 
Not taking sides in this debate and I haven't read through the whole schpiel -- 1 question I have is who here has actually run their own business?

There is a ton of hard work and bunch of "issues" that you will encounter...

In the beginning it's struggling financially to stay solvent...even coming up with your mission statement and business plan can be overly difficult...it's when you actually invest your own time and money into something that the stress factor goes through the roof...

As you grow you tend to have "growing" pains...as some have mentioned employee issues, how/when to grow your business, advertisiing, marketing, etc...(everything that can go wrong usually does)...

I'm sure Scott can attest to most of these issues since he's already lived through them...

 
Wow, you have someone agree with you and finally come back to comment.
Too bad, this guy is a numbskull too. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

You kids just really don't have a clue, and it's QUITE entertaining.

nG
nG, your stupidity amazes me. Throwing insults and names around, when you are a kid yourself. Perhaps the reason you are in installs and not sales is because of the sheer amount of stupidity you have proven yourself capable of exhibiting in this thread alone.

Funny you let B&W do all the talking, then tell me I don't understand the nitty gritty. You have made no points yourself.

 
nG's amazing contributions to this thread so far....I'm so happy he's such a smart guy, just backing up what his buddy said.

No shit. Simple business practice.
The OP is a fucking ignorant dumbass.

Prolly a kid.

nG
Yeah, apparently this "25 year old" has never heard of a simple economics class.
nG
Doubt it bud.
You have NO idea. Not a clue.

nG
Wow, you have someone agree with you and finally come back to comment.
Too bad, this guy is a numbskull too. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

You kids just really don't have a clue, and it's QUITE entertaining.

nG
Exactly EhRon's point,
The r-tards don't get it, they'll be the ones working for US. Or... flipping hamburgers at the local McD's.

nG
Hahahahaha, no shit.
They REALLY don't get the REAL nitty-gritty inside shit... at all. Don't understand the costs at all.

NG

Such a great thread!!!
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nG
 
Your understanding of economics is utterly horrible.
You're not "making $97" every day. When you start a business your first sales are not profitable. You also have to sell these products before you can even use this number.

Tell me this, how did you "buy" this new facility you are now working in? Did you just save profit until you had enough to make the purchase of the new building and then buy it outright? No, because you had expenses initially and you had to break even before it was even considered profit! In fact, you probably took out a huge loan to start this business in the first place.

Add in things like health plans for the employees, furniture for the new building, pay raises, inflation, and ultimately.......extra RESEARCH AND DESIGN!

You will find the increased services the company is providing is going to cost you, the consumer, more money. I don't think Fi plans to keep the same lines of subs for the next several years, I imagine they will need to engineer new ones.

That is going to be an addtional cost not factored in the general manufacturing process that you so exquisitely presented to me.

I guess JL Audio would be where they are today if they never increased their costs right? Making stealthboxes in house, driver testing each driver, setting industry benchmarks people are using as a base of comparison 4 years after the release....they got where they are keeping costs the exact same right?

Go back to your macroeconomics 101 class and study a little harder next time.
*Sigh*

This is from a business starting from scratch.

Scott has owned/founded NUMEROUS companies... think he got to where he did today by them failing? Nope.

I think he has just a TINY little bit of experience. Not to mention he's done OEM design and engineering for TONS of companies. When he can engineer and design, and machine in house... cuts down costs BIG TIME.

Also, direct sales... no middle man.

Also, think selling his half of RE and Destijl got him NOTHING? Yeah, he started Fi from scratch... //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

Don't compare to multimillion dollar nationwide retail companies... two different things.

I don't see Fi going anywhere. Scott himself said... the reason he got away from RE was b/c it had turned into something he didn't want it to become. Has stated numerous times that Fi will never have dealers, and won't be giving out free products to competitors, etc, etc, etc.

If business increases, you hire more people. Those people (providing productivity is sufficient) pay for themselves by increasing output.

People talking about companies they know absolutely nothing about cracks me up.

nG, your stupidity amazes me. Throwing insults and names around, when you are a kid yourself. Perhaps the reason you are in installs and not sales is because of the sheer amount of stupidity you have proven yourself capable of exhibiting in this thread alone.
Funny you let B&W do all the talking, then tell me I don't understand the nitty gritty. You have made no points yourself.
I was in sales for over 2 years, being the lead in my department for well over a year. It's easy when you know what's behind the product.

I chose to switch to install when I was offered the chance, I enjoy it more. Thanks very much.

nG's amazing contributions to this thread so far....I'm so happy he's such a smart guy, just backing up what his buddy said.
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Anyways, continue. Please tell me ALL about Fi and what it will become of great Fortune teller!

nG

 
Your understanding of economics is utterly horrible.
You're not "making $97" every day. When you start a business your first sales are not profitable. You also have to sell these products before you can even use this number.

Tell me this, how did you "buy" this new facility you are now working in? Did you just save profit until you had enough to make the purchase of the new building and then buy it outright? No, because you had expenses initially and you had to break even before it was even considered profit! In fact, you probably took out a huge loan to start this business in the first place.

Add in things like health plans for the employees, furniture for the new building, pay raises, inflation, and ultimately.......extra RESEARCH AND DESIGN!

You will find the increased services the company is providing is going to cost you, the consumer, more money. I don't think Fi plans to keep the same lines of subs for the next several years, I imagine they will need to engineer new ones.

That is going to be an addtional cost not factored in the general manufacturing process that you so exquisitely presented to me.

I guess JL Audio would be where they are today if they never increased their costs right? Making stealthboxes in house, driver testing each driver, setting industry benchmarks people are using as a base of comparison 4 years after the release....they got where they are keeping costs the exact same right?

Go back to your macroeconomics 101 class and study a little harder next time.
Ok, let me make you look like an idiot again....

First off, if your sales are not profitable then you are not going to be a very good business man and have a very terrible business plan. You are certainly right about not making a profit on the first subs you sell, but we are talking about AVERAGES. You are averaging $93 per sub.

Oh and if you can’t sell your products then you are not building the correct products. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

Fi, has plenty of products to sell and I’m pretty sure sells everything that they make, like most companies do, if you have an overstock it is usually the distributors problem. IE, company ‘A’ builds a transistor it sells to a stock house ‘B’ for $1. If the stock house ‘B’ doesn’t sell it at its normal $5 MSRP then they sell it for maybe $3. BUT, the manufacture still gets $1.

Also, my example company has factored in expenses such as loans and things they are just not labeled that way, and you are choosing to be ignorant about not seeing them to fit your one sided thinking. Also, if you take out a loan and are losing money you are not charging enough in the first place OR your bank is taking you for a ride. So if your loan causes you to raise prices it is not an effect of growth, but of general bad planning.

Anyway, I acquired this new facility both through money saved and money loaned, this company didn’t open on Jan 1st and buy a new building on Jan 3rd so I has had a chance for it to grow and save some money. The expense of the money owed from the debt is factored into the over all expense of the building as in the machines just like in the first building and first two machines.

Also, Health plans for employees are factored into what they get paid. If you want me to outline an entire business plan for you I can, but not going to burn my time schooling an ignorant bloke who thinks he knows more than me.

Also, hasn't Fi come out with new subs? Scott can probably back me up on this, but haven’t they made a new sub design very recently????? Does the BL ring a bell??? Anyone?? Did the price of the Q go up because they started to make the BL? What about the price on the SSD? Did it go up and I am seriously missed something?

So you have that AVERAGE profit of $93, lets say we put $10 of that per month into research and advertising and a 401k plan for our 4 dear employees who we love and treasure so much. That leaves us with $83 AVERAGE per day over a period of time. Well, through our research we have discovered a way to make a single 8” do 189db. Isn’t that going to raise our sales? Which means more profit? Which means that $10 per day charge isn’t going to be so bad?

Call me stupid or whatever you want but this is how it works in the real world my friend. If you don’t believe me feel free to come down to my town and I will show you the multi-million dollar company that my family has build from the ground up. Oh and you might think oh it is a family company and he probably hasn’t done anything with it. But, I managed one department which I took from a small 50 radio rental fleet into a 600 radio rental fleet with 7 conventional repeaters and 3 LTR Trunking repeaters. And, yes my costs went up, but my profit went up too, and guess what. Have you guessed it yet? I haven’t raised the prices any more than inflation rates. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 
Hey, so I read in your profile that you are in to 'Sell Phones' (what ever the hell a 'sell' phone is) and are in 'Wireless Sales'....

I seriously laughed out loud beecause I have probably fired 10 guys just like you. Yes FIRED....

Stay where you are at we all need people to do the shit jobs managment and owners don't want to do....

 
i think you dummies (not nG or B&W) fail to realize that Scott is the owner AND engineer. He can do whatever he wants. If too many orders come in, he can choose not to accept them. the business can grow or shrink however demand, and more importantly, Scott chooses. Prices are not determined by the size of the business or number of new models, they are determined by the manufacturer.

 
it is good that scott said that. i would prefer to deal with a company like his(hense i bought a mach 5 maw 15) than to buy from a multi million dollar company. more personal, better customer relations, and usually better support when you dont get what you were expecting.(if you do something wrong).

 
i think you dummies (not nG or B&W) fail to realize that Scott is the owner AND engineer. He can do whatever he wants. If too many orders come in, he can choose not to accept them. the business can grow or shrink however demand, and more importantly, Scott chooses. Prices are not determined by the size of the business or number of new models, they are determined by the manufacturer.
he could also accept them and tell the customer that due do high demand it will take longer then expected as the subs are hand built

im gonna strees the point of me starting this thread. it wasnt to "put down" FI but to try to help me figure out whyt u guys have tuned on RE. i mean if RE went hard core mainstreem and started selling a insuperiour products with more flash then performance i too would be on your side. but they havent. far as im concern they have only gotten better. more finacial backing for R&D and such. introducing a new line of subs (SR). yes the price has gone up, but the quality is still the same.

 
he could also accept them and tell the customer that due do high demand it will take longer then expected as the subs are hand built
im gonna strees the point of me starting this thread. it wasnt to "put down" FI but to try to help me figure out whyt u guys have tuned on RE. i mean if RE went hard core mainstreem and started selling a insuperiour products with more flash then performance i too would be on your side. but they havent. far as im concern they have only gotten better. more finacial backing for R&D and such. introducing a new line of subs (SR). yes the price has gone up, but the quality is still the same.
Many people think RE is just too expensive. They do not build a bad product they just raised their prices because of the addition of a dealer network. I assume that the dealers are paying close to the same price as the consumer used to pay for products. Growing doesn't raise the price to the consumer but certain other things do, like completely changing from a Internet company to a dealer company //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif. RE used to be the super bang for you buck sub woofer company and all the fanboi's got their hearts broke when they raised their prices. They felt betrayed or something, but this is business baby and you have to do what you have to do. Fi pretty much just filled in there RE used to be (which was very smart on their part), solid high performance middle price range subs. I can say that I have owned both RE and Fi products and I like them both. But, Fi is just priced so well and works so good. RE used to be priced so well and works so good. They still work good it is just that they aren't exactly priced where they should be, and I think a lot of people agree.

 
Many people think RE is just too expensive. They do not build a bad product they just raised their prices because of the addition of a dealer network. I assume that the dealers are paying close to the same price as the consumer used to pay for products. Growing doesn't raise the price to the consumer but certain other things do, like completely changing from a Internet company to a dealer company //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif. RE used to be the super bang for you buck sub woofer company and all the fanboi's got their hearts broke when they raised their prices. They felt betrayed or something, but this is business baby and you have to do what you have to do. Fi pretty much just filled in there RE used to be (which was very smart on their part), solid high performance middle price range subs. I can say that I have owned both RE and Fi products and I like them both. But, Fi is just priced so well and works so good. RE used to be priced so well and works so good. They still work good it is just that they aren't exactly priced where they should be, and I think a lot of people agree.
I couldnt've said it better myself

 
I think you guys are misconstruing what I am trying to say. Companies don't HAVE to raise prices at all. (Assuming they are profitable) The fact of the matter is, they probably WILL. If you can sell your products for a few more dollars, you will because that is the point of owning a business....to make money! Time will tell.

I've wasted enough time in here...arguing over an internet forum takes a lot of time and I could get my points across much better face to face.

 
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