Wire/Cable ?

Star Quad is taking two similarly colored wired and connecting them together. A fancy name for parallel wired conductors that are twisted. lol

I've read many threads over the years on twisting your own cables, etc. People debate

about this all the time, yet there is no proof. The people doing the hard labor to make these

fancy cables always claim there is an improvment [surprised ?] ... This is no different

than the electronic circuit mod community where their custom mods always has an improvement in sound.

If a person can't afford $15 for a 100 foot roll of 18 awg speaker wire, maybe they need

a cheaper hobby ...

 
Another link for Cat5, and instructions this time //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif
http://www.venhaus1.com/diycatfivecables.html

This is getting more and more intriguing, I am going to give it a try...
That is old news. It would be more credible if they weren't in the business of

selling cables. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crazy.gif.c13912c32de98515d3142759a824dae7.gif

Serously, read post #20 and digest the info.

 
Star Quad is taking two similarly colored wired and connecting them together. A fancy name for parallel wired conductors that are twisted. lol
I've read many threads over the years on twisting your own cables, etc. People debate

about this all the time, yet there is no proof. The people doing the hard labor to make these

fancy cables always claim there is an improvment [surprised ?] ... This is no different

than the electronic circuit mod community where their custom mods always has an improvement in sound.

If a person can't afford $15 for a 100 foot roll of 18 awg speaker wire, maybe they need

a cheaper hobby ...
Its not affording, its EXPERIMENTING, I personally am not a full believer of CAT 5, which i why I want to TRY it and see for myself, thats the beauty of DIY. Its relatively cheap to try little things to improve the sound, if you have the time for it...
For example, the phenomenon of Baffle step http://t-linespeakers.org/tech/bafflestep/index.html

Some swear by the BSC circuit to compensate for this phenomenon (resister and inductor in parallel wired in series with the woofer), others think otherwise. It costs around 20 bucks to try it, so why not?

My mentality: Although physics is valuable, I never use it for something as dynamic as music. Do what sounds good for YOUR ears.

Experiment with different techniques. Its not WHICH is better, but which you prefer //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 
BSC is usually compensated for in the crossover topology itself. Or with a .5 way driver. But dedicated BSC circuits will work too.
Sorry I was referring to full range drivers //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif
 
My mentality: Although physics is valuable, I never use it for something as dynamic as music. Do what sounds good for YOUR ears.
Physics is valuable (in fact, the only means) for arriving at objective conclusions, which can be applied to any situation. But it's horrible for arriving at (and doesn't even attempt to arrive at) subjective conclusions...."what I think sounds best".

I think the wording here is more accurate than your statement.

Sorry, I'm picky about semantics //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/tongue.gif.6130eb82179565f6db8d26d6001dcd24.gif

 
It's Christmas season................. bah ......... humbug on CAT5 ..... //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

snip..

"A dirt-cheap way of making your own high quality loudspeaker cable."

http://www.humblehomemadehifi.com/CAT5.html

So far, every CAT5 reference I've seen on forums over the years has the word 'cheap' as in low cost. Once again,

is $15 too expensive for a 100 foot roll of 18 awg cable? I don't get it, especially

from Tony Gee who makes some great DIY speakers with expensive drivers. He now

wants to save a dollar on speaker cable and on top of that, the sound is so sweet now with

this cheap wire? Ah. .. the comedy..

 
Physics is valuable (in fact, the only means) for arriving at objective conclusions, which can be applied to any situation. But it's horrible for arriving at (and doesn't even attempt to arrive at) subjective conclusions...."what I think sounds best".
I think the wording here is more accurate than your statement.

Sorry, I'm picky about semantics //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/tongue.gif.6130eb82179565f6db8d26d6001dcd24.gif
No worries! I like your explanation better //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif
It's Christmas season................. bah ......... humbug on CAT5 ..... //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif
snip..

"A dirt-cheap way of making your own high quality loudspeaker cable."

http://www.humblehomemadehifi.com/CAT5.html

So far, every CAT5 reference I've seen on forums over the years has the word 'cheap' as in low cost. Once again,

is $15 too expensive for a 100 foot roll of 18 awg cable? I don't get it, especially

from Tony Gee who makes some great DIY speakers with expensive drivers. He now

wants to save a dollar on speaker cable and on top of that, the sound is so sweet now with

this cheap wire? Ah. .. the comedy..
If its the same cost why not give it a shot? Thats what I am trying to get across, its 15 dollars of wire or less...again, its about experimenting to see what subjectively sounds better //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/cool.gif.3bcaf8f141236c00f8044d07150e34f7.gif
 
HDMI is a digital connection. There is no audible or visual difference between an expensive or a cheap HDMI cable, as long as they are the same version, and they are going a reasonable distance.

 
its about experimenting to see what subjectively sounds better

You can focus your energy on other aspects of audio that is more rewarding.

Experimenting with speaker wire falls into the crazy audiophile category where

laws of science don't apply.

Speaker wire is much simpler than interconnects and all you need to do is get the

wire specifications, resistance, capacitance, inductance and throw those numbers in

the formula to see if the wire itself will form a low pass filter that falls in the audio

bandwidth.

http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=201005

If you look at this, you can see that the wire length plays a big role. If your install has

a large run of speaker wire from the amp to speaker, enter the data into the formula

to see if a problem might manifest and if so, then you need a different wire solution.

You don't have to keep swapping out wires and listening to see which cable sounds better,

that would take you forever to figure out. This example below shows the filtering effects

of generic speaker wire. I believe in this example {speaker wire}, the cable capacitance

is a moot issue because of the amplifier output impedance [is very low] and the load is also

very low in impedance [the speakers], so inductance in this example plays a bigger role.

The 0.3mH per foot inductance was actual tested data from the Audioholics wire test,

that number was the worse cable tested so I used that number in the example.

A 100 foot run would give you a Fc = 42khz which is fine. If you were running a few

hundred feet of this super lame wire, then you might experience a filtering effect

and need to upgrade to better wire.

The bottom line is. Even cheap speaker wire in a typical home/car install [less than 100 foot run] shouldn't pose any filtering effects. But if you were doing a high SQ install with a 500

foot run, you should do the math on the wire you chose to make sure it's ok.

Speaker Wire Inductance

Speaker wire is like an inductor and when you connect your amplifier

to speaker wire to the speaker, it's as if you are adding an inductor in

series just like a first order woofer crossover.

The math is simple.

Fc = RL / (2pi L)

Fc = -3dB point, cutoff frequency.

L = cable inductance

RL = speaker load

The worse speaker wire of the bunch tested has an inductance of 0.3 uH

per foot. Lets assume you are going run 100 foot between amp and speaker.

L = 0.3uH x 100 feet = 30 uH

RL = 8 ohm speaker

Fc = 42.4khz
http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=201005

 
the cable capacitanceis a moot issue because of the amplifier output impedance [is very low]
Output impedance is not always low //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

I understand where you're coming from and I agree, but I don't think he should be discouraged from trying it either. Sometimes the best way to make something sink in is to hear it (or in this case, not hear it) for yourself //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 
Output impedance is not always low //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif
Compare to a preamp output, even higher output impedance of tube gear is

very low //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crazy.gif.c13912c32de98515d3142759a824dae7.gif

If you really want to be crazy about audio, then you might want to

visit this place.

http://www.goodsoundclub.com/Forums/ShowForum.aspx?ForumID=22

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