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[ThxOne Premium Member]

If gas is back in the $2-2.50 range come Nov/24, do you think Biden will get any credit?

How long has he been inserted into office now? Why have prices for gas here in America jumped so high under Biden for so long if he is doing more? That makes NO SENSE.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Permits and leases are two different things as well. Either way, Biden said he was going to stop drilling so why say they are doing more and why if we are "drilling more" are we not refining our own oil and lowering prices here in America?

So now Biden controls what privately owned multinational corporations do with drilling permits that are approved?
They get a permit, and then Biden tells them not to drill in order to keep gas prices high?
And none of them have gone to the press and blown this conspiracy wide open?

It’s been said before, but that’s the problem with conspiracy fantasies: As soon as you put them under even the most basic scrutiny, they fall apart.

Gas prices are driven by a WORLD market. Even YOU could trade commodities futures and affect the price of oil, gas, grain.
But believing that would mean you have to let go of this fantasy that Biden sets the price.
And we know reality ain’t your bag when it contradicts your feelings.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

So now Biden controls what privately owned multinational corporations do with drilling permits that are approved?
They get a permit, and then Biden tells them not to drill in order to keep gas prices high?
And none of them have gone to the press and blown this conspiracy wide open?

It’s been said before, but that’s the problem with conspiracy fantasies: As soon as you put them under even the most basic scrutiny, they fall apart.

You think that because it's not all over whatever biased news sources you claim not to use that it isn't or doesn't happen?

Just because a permit is approved doesn't mean the lease will be approved. Tell us Rob in all of your infinite wisdom... How many approved leases match those approved permits.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

You think that because it's not all over whatever biased news sources you claim not to use that it isn't or doesn't happen?

Just because a permit is approved doesn't mean the lease will be approved. Tell us Rob in all of your infinite wisdom... How many approved leases match those approved permits.

You think “biased news sources” are the only way that information can get out?
You think Faux News wouldn’t be broadcasting that shit 24/7?
Don’t play naive in order to push your narrative.

As far as a dearth of leases, don’t get info from anti-Biden memes if you want to support your argument. They are woefully inaccurate. Leases are NOT a problem: https://news.bloomberglaw.com/envir...stockpiled-drilling-leases-before-biden-pause

““There are oil and gas companies that have hundreds of previously issued permits to drill which have been issued over the years, but these companies have chosen not to drill on many of these permits, primarily due to economic reasons,”

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

You think “biased news sources” are the only way that information can get out?
You think Faux News wouldn’t be broadcasting that shit 24/7?
Don’t play naive in order to push your narrative.

As far as a dearth of leases, don’t get info from anti-Biden memes if you want to support your argument. They are woefully inaccurate. Leases are NOT a problem: https://news.bloomberglaw.com/envir...stockpiled-drilling-leases-before-biden-pause

““There are oil and gas companies that have hundreds of previously issued permits to drill which have been issued over the years, but these companies have chosen not to drill on many of these permits, primarily due to economic reasons,”

Way to avoid the question.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

How many approved permits MATCH the leases?

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

Permits and leases are two different things as well. Either way, Biden said he was going to stop drilling so why say they are doing more and why if we are "drilling more" are we not refining our own oil and lowering prices here in America?

Because they can’t control your life without creating a fake energy crisis. Biden literally belongs to the people who want to end oil usage.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

How many approved permits MATCH the leases?

The lease exists before the permit is issued.
“Drilling permits are issued when companies are ready to develop from acreages, onshore and offshore, previously leased from the federal government”

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The American Petroleum Institute (API) is the only national trade association that represents all aspects of America’s oil and natural gas industry. Our more than 600 corporate members, from the largest major oil company to the smallest of independents, come from all segments of the industry.

www.api.org

Your posts suggest you think permits are issued without a lease existing.
If that’s your theory,, and you are using it to still say Biden is the oil industry puppet master, can you support the theory with proof?

Before you scream API is “biased”, they represent the oil industry. There would be no benefit to them lying about how permits/leases work, especially to cover up nefarious actions by Biden.

 

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[ThxOne Premium Member]

The lease exists before the permit is issued.
“Drilling permits are issued when companies are ready to develop from acreages, onshore and offshore, previously leased from the federal government”

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The American Petroleum Institute (API) is the only national trade association that represents all aspects of America’s oil and natural gas industry. Our more than 600 corporate members, from the largest major oil company to the smallest of independents, come from all segments of the industry.

www.api.org

Your posts suggest you think permits are issued without a lease existing.
If that’s your theory,, and you are using it to still say Biden is the oil industry puppet master, can you support the theory with proof?

Before you scream API is “biased”, they represent the oil industry. There would be no benefit to them lying about how permits/leases work, especially to cover up nefarious actions by Biden.

Ahhh the old switch-a-roo. You can't disprove what I said so you will try to turn it around and tell me to prove what I said. You are so predictable.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Ahhh the old switch-a-roo. You can't disprove what I said so you will try to turn it around and tell me to prove what I said. You are so predictable.

I DID disprove what you said.
THE LEASE EXISTS BEFORE THE PERMIT IS APPROVED.
CLAIMING PERMITS ARE APPROVED BUT NO LEASE EXISTS IS MORE BULLSHIT THAT YOU FEEL, BUT CANNOT PROVE.
YOUR FEELING HAS ACTUALLY BEEN DISPROVED BY OIL INDUSTRY REPRESENTATIVES.
I’ll again quote what the API has stated:
The lease exists before the permit is issued.
“Drilling permits are issued when companies are ready to develop from acreages, onshore and offshore, previously leased from the federal government”

If you think the API is lying in order to cover for Biden, share your evidence to support your theory that permits are being issued when land is not yet leased.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Permits and leases are two different things as well. Either way, Biden said he was going to stop drilling so why say they are doing more and why if we are "drilling more" are we not refining our own oil and lowering prices here in America?

Anything to deny reality and put this in Biden's lap. First of Biden (like all politicians) is full of shyt. He pass vaccine mandates knowing full well they wouldn't pass the courts and he halted drilling also knowing the courts would reverse him. That's just the facts you; you don't have to like the facts, you don't have to accept that those are the facts, but that's indeed what happened.

Drilling is up. Production is up. Again, those are just facts that you're free to reject because they don't fit a preferred narrative, but those are indeed easily documentable facts.

Assuming you took an Econ class or have spend just an hour reading up on how supply & demand works, then that might provide some insight into why gas prices are up. OPEC cut production Trump's first 2 years in office, which (now get this) coincided with an increase in gas prices during Trump's first 2 years. OPEC continued to cut production throughout the pandemic. OPEC ticked up output a little in 2021, OPEC+ is cutting output currently specifically because they want oil prices to stay where they are. Russian oil is under embargo (quasi-embargo). But it's Biden fault for making an empty promise to cut back on drilling.

The Neo-conservative movement is hilarious. They can spot a Biden lie a mile away, unless that lie fits into a narrative they like. Then it's mental gymnastics to somehow make that lie the truth.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Look, fuck all the conspiracy theory bullshit, the blame game, OPEC and whatever else you all want to bring into this conversation.

If we (America) are drilling more and producing more oil then why have gas prices been higher since the beginning of Biden's presidency? You want to say more is being done than when Trump was president but his gas prices were lower... why?

You gonna blame Russia, Ukraine, OPEC, Saudi Arabia, Antarctica...

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

I DUD disprove what you said.
THE LEASE EXISTS BEFORE THE PERMIT IS APPROVED.
CLAIMING PERMITS ARE APPROVED BUT NO LEASE EXISTS IS MORE BULLSHIT THAT YOU FEEL, BUT CANNOT PROVE.
YOUR FEELING HAS ACTUALLY BEEN DISPROVED BY OIL INDUSTRY REPRESENTATIVES.
I’ll again quote what the API has stated:
The lease exists before the permit is issued.
“Drilling permits are issued when companies are ready to develop from acreages, onshore and offshore, previously leased from the federal government”

If you think the API is lying in order to cover for Biden, share your evidence to support your theory that permits are being issued when land is not yet leased.

API and oil executives are in on the conspiracy to hide the fact that oil prices have increased because the Almighty Sleepy Joe waived his magic wand and made it so. Has nothing to do with OPEC+ cutting production, a major war involving a major oil producer, embargos, increased demand. It's all do a bunch of things that Sleepy Joe is accused of doing but didn't do. Which brings us around to what the modern day GOP voter (and many politicians) have become: conspiracy theorist. If the facts don't support the narrative, then that's just proof of a deep state cover up by the liberal *********, blood libel cabal.