Will the plane take off?? Finally going to be answered.***

[IamDeMan 5,000+ posts]

like 20 years ago he may have.....

Hey now mofo, I ain't that old. It would have been 10 years ago at the least //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/tongue.gif.6130eb82179565f6db8d26d6001dcd24.gif In any event, I never took any finance course.

 

[IamDeMan 5,000+ posts]

Ok seriously, what is so hard to understand.

What is hard to understand is your lack of comprehension of force.

 

[Chevillac 5,000+ posts]

Yes, but the ideal experiment is that the converyor belt will be matching the speed of the wheels turning. If the plane continues to accelerate the wheels will be spinning faster which = the belt spinning faster

It is not the same as a car on a dyno, cars drive with their wheels. A plane's power comes from the engine, pushing it through the air. Air speed is different than ground speed.

Thats the point I was going to make, but frankly we don't know how the experiment is going to go.
I figured the plane was going to stay stationary relative to the ground, but the people who came in here calling other people idiots think otherwise.

To be honest, neither side knows how the experiment is going to work, so coming in here and calling people retards is pretty ignorant of them.

How were they going to make the plane stay stationary? You meant that they were going to anchor it down, so that its some kind of standing takeoff(like a helicopter)? Im not really sure what you are saying

 

[tommyk90 5,000+ posts]

How were they going to make the plane stay stationary? You meant that they were going to anchor it down, so that its some kind of standing takeoff(like a helicopter)? Im not really sure what you are saying

No.

The way I thought about it was they were going to only throttle up the plane enough to keep it in the same spot relative to the ground. But who knows.

 

[Chevillac 5,000+ posts]

No.
The way I thought about it was they were going to only throttle up the plane enough to keep it in the same spot relative to the ground. But who knows.

Oh no, the point of it was to actually take off, The conveyor belt is *supposed to be* runway length.

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

Oh no, the point of it was to actually take off, The conveyor belt is *supposed to be* runway length.

I missed the point I thought somehow the conyeor belt was supposed to provide the lift. I did not know they where going to try to fly against the belt.

I still stand by my position.

 

[Chevillac 5,000+ posts]

I missed the point I thought somehow the conyeor belt was supposed to provide the lift. I did not know they where going to try to fly against the belt.
I still stand by my position.

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[IamDeMan 5,000+ posts]

I missed the point I thought somehow the conyeor belt was supposed to provide the lift. I did not know they where going to try to fly against the belt.
I still stand by my position.

Then we can segregate people further in this. Not only do we have people looking at the problem differently(one looking the right way), but we also have those that just don't understand what is being asked! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/tongue.gif.6130eb82179565f6db8d26d6001dcd24.gif

 

[IamDeMan 5,000+ posts]

OK now not only are people not understanding my thread was parody and missed my setup, some are now taking it cereal //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crap.gif.7f4dd41e3e9b23fbd170a1ee6f65cecc.gif I fail.

 

[04_edge 10+ year member]

wait, so they are going to try to take off on a moving belt? or are they just going to sit a plane on top of it, while holding it stationary to see if lift is created?

if the plane was using its engines trying to take off on a treadmill it would work, but if its just sitting there no lift will be created, at all. /story

 

[04_edge 10+ year member]

i finally read what the actual experiment was........

but im still going to say no.

the plane will still be stationary if they do it right...therefore, there will still be no lift.

 

[hoss 5,000+ posts]

i finally read what the actual experiment was........
but im still going to say no.

the plane will still be stationary if they do it right...therefore, there will still be no lift.

the only way that the plane will stand still is if there is a tether keeping it stationary.

and the experiment isnt "can a stationary plane take off?", the question is "can a plane on a treadmill take off?". and a plane on a treadmill is only going to need the same amount of force as it would if it was on stationary surfaces.

change the way you think, because you are thinking about it incorrectly.

 

[04_edge 10+ year member]

the only way that the plane will stand still is if there is a tether keeping it stationary.
and the experiment isnt "can a stationary plane take off?", the question is "can a plane on a treadmill take off?". and a plane on a treadmill is only going to need the same amount of force as it would if it was on stationary surfaces.

change the way you think, because you are thinking about it incorrectly.

if the treadmill is traveling in reverse at 100mph and the plane is traveling at what would be 100mph on the ground, it will not be moving compared to what is around it, thats why i say stationary.

if the plane needs to be going 100mph to lift off, it would need to be using enough power to make it go 200mph to overcome the opposite force........

 

[IamDeMan 5,000+ posts]

if the treadmill is traveling in reverse at 100mph and the plane is traveling at what would be 100mph on the ground, it will not be moving compared to what is around it, thats why i say stationary.
if the plane needs to be going 100mph to lift off, it would need to be using enough power to make it go 200mph to overcome the opposite force........

THERE IS NO OPPOSITE REACTION CREATED BY THE TREADMILL. IT IS IRRELEVANT IN THE PLANES ABILITY TO PROVIDE PROPER THRUST FOR FORWARD MOMENTUM.

 

[04_edge 10+ year member]

THERE IS NO OPPOSITE REACTION CREATED BY THE TREADMILL. IT IS IRRELEVANT IN THE PLANES ABILITY TO PROVIDE PROPER THRUST FOR FORWARD MOMENTUM.

im about to draw in paint what im trying to say.