Who makes a good midrange...

[onefastsi 10+ year member]

I'm in need of a mid, 2-4", SHALLOW mount! anyone make a good quality/high end piece?

Thanks guys!

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[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

Lots of people.

Need more details.

Budget?

Power?

Depth?

Intended frequency range?

How do you plan to cross it over; active or passive?

 

[onefastsi 10+ year member]

Budget: I'd rather not spend $400 a set....but....depends on what I'm getting

Power: 100x2 peak

Depth: SHALLOW! Less than 2" for sure. way less if possible

Range: Upper mids. In a 3 way setup, it will be seeing the upper mid band just below the tweeter.

Passive, for now, til I get a new source unit.

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

Power: 100x2 peak

Is that the peak power or the RMS of your amplifier?

Range: Upper mids. In a 3 way setup, it will be seeing the upper mid band just below the tweeter.

More detail is needed as that's the general range any midrange in a 3-way will play.

How low in frequency you do need it to extend? 500hz? 200hz?

How high in frequency do you need it to extend? 2.5khz? 4khz? 7khz?

Passive, for now, til I get a new source unit.

What passive crossover?

What impedance driver will you need? If you are using a prebuilt passive crossover, then you must use a driver with the impedance the crossover was designed for.

What other drivers are you using?

 

[Louisiana_CRX 5,000+ posts]

Earthquake has a really good set of shallow 6.5 midbass ...I have an extra set if interested...just PM me

 

[xtremekustomz 10+ year member]

Check out the Legatia L3

http://www.hybrid-audio.com/legatia_individual_drivers.htm

 

[onefastsi 10+ year member]

I was considering CDT's 2.75" mid and the Dynadio MD142.

I have a 100x2 elemental amp.

Low end is about 500k

High end is about 2.5k

I'm using CDT's 3 way xover network for the ES components. I'm using CDT's stagefront kit, and 2 way HD's now...switching to ES in a 3 way setup.

 

[xtremekustomz 10+ year member]

The frequency response of the L3 is 140-10000hz. It was designed to be used as a point source midrange driver. They Dyn's sound wonderful but won't play very low. I've actually got the System 360 with the MW170, MD140, and the MD100's but I'm only using the 8's out of the set now. The problem with putting a midrange up high that won't play very low is that vocals and other tones (drums...etc...) that are directional will be brought down to wherever your midbass is. The dyns were actually made to be used in a kick panel and pretty much completely off axis if I'm not mistaken. You could probably put them in your kicks firing towards each other and not take up any room at all.

 

[xtremekustomz 10+ year member]

The frequency response of the L3 is 140-10000hz. It was designed to be used as a point source midrange driver. They Dyn's sound wonderful but won't play very low. I've actually got the System 360 with the MW170, MD140, and the MD100's but I'm only using the 8's out of the set now. The problem with putting a midrange up high that won't play very low is that vocals and other tones (drums...etc...) that are directional will be brought down to wherever your midbass is. The dyns were actually made to be used in a kick panel and pretty much completely off axis if I'm not mistaken. You could probably put them in your kicks firing towards each other and not take up any room at all. That would keep the mid close to the midbass as well.

 

[onefastsi 10+ year member]

Actually, i'm using them in the kicks. Thanks for the info!

 

[MiniVanMan 10+ year member]

First that's a tiny amount of bandwidth you're asking the midrange driver to play. I'm a bit confused about that. One of the benefits of a 3-way is to dedicated one driver to the frequencies most prominent to human hearing. That's about 250 hz to about 4-5khz. To have 2 crossover points right in the middle of that bandwidth is pretty counterproductive. That's especially true in a car where mounting locations can have as much impact on how a driver sounds as crossover points, and power supplied.

However, a driver that will integrate very well into any CDT makes is this.

http://www.madisound.com/catalog/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=153&products_id=1117

Unfortunately the true strengths of this driver will not be realized because of what was stated above. The same is true with the Legatia somebody mentioned.

I think you'd be just as well off just building a 2-way with a crossover point of 2.5 khz than complicating it with another driver, and crossover at 500 hz as well. Like I said, it's pretty counterproductive at that point.

 

[onefastsi 10+ year member]

First that's a tiny amount of bandwidth you're asking the midrange driver to play. I'm a bit confused about that. One of the benefits of a 3-way is to dedicated one driver to the frequencies most prominent to human hearing. That's about 250 hz to about 4-5khz. To have 2 crossover points right in the middle of that bandwidth is pretty counterproductive. That's especially true in a car where mounting locations can have as much impact on how a driver sounds as crossover points, and power supplied.
However, a driver that will integrate very well into any CDT makes is this.

http://www.madisound.com/catalog/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=153&products_id=1117

Unfortunately the true strengths of this driver will not be realized because of what was stated above. The same is true with the Legatia somebody mentioned.

I think you'd be just as well off just building a 2-way with a crossover point of 2.5 khz than complicating it with another driver, and crossover at 500 hz as well. Like I said, it's pretty counterproductive at that point.

That's where it's playing! I typed it wrong, or you misread it...but I'm doing just what you are saying with it! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[MiniVanMan 10+ year member]

That's where it's playing! I typed it wrong, or you misread it...but I'm doing just what you are saying with it! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

So, it will be playing from 250 hz to about 4-5khz (or above), or 500-2.5kzh? One of your posts suggests the second. That's why I'm confused.

 

[xtremekustomz 10+ year member]

I personally run my midbass from 50-160hz, midrange from 160-6.3k and my tweets from 6.3khz and up. I'm thinking what he was talking about when he said 500 hz was the Dyn driver. I've heard of people running them lower than 500hz but really 600hz is the safe place.

 

[onefastsi 10+ year member]

So, it will be playing from 250 hz to about 4-5khz (or above), or 500-2.5kzh? One of your posts suggests the second. That's why I'm confused.

500 and up... //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif or so......