where to buy HERTZ amps?

[Horsemanwill 10+ year member]

for business's it's like this. company a wants their product out there. store a wants to sell their product so they do company a's buyin. now lets say store b wants company a's product too and they are 4 blocks down the street, so they also buyin. how will store a make any $$$ if store b is selling dirt cheap? this way both stores are making their profits regardless of who's overhead is higher. and company a is getting their product out there. the buyer may see it as unfair but the company is thinking of the store and the customer. yes the price may be high but like we said you get the benefits of that extra cost.

 

[00poop6x 10+ year member]

...in houston, tx you can get killer deals on high-end gear because they know we want pay msrp. why can't everyone else do it?...

You must own a flea business favoring Houston's car audio market.

What mobile audio equipment do you run in your vehicle? You like it? How much do you like it? You better enjoy it until consumers and 'business' geniuses like yourself bring Audiobahnesque companies back from the dead.

Pay what you want but don't cry about how companies aren't what they used to be, deal? I know you like deals.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/greedy.gif.5a53e6246569d7ab79867170f3b06629.gif

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

for business's it's like this. company a wants their product out there. store a wants to sell their product so they do company a's buyin. now lets say store b wants company a's product too and they are 4 blocks down the street, so they also buyin. how will store a make any $$$ if store b is selling dirt cheap? this way both stores are making their profits regardless of who's overhead is higher. and company a is getting their product out there. the buyer may see it as unfair but the company is thinking of the store and the customer. yes the price may be high but like we said you get the benefits of that extra cost.

How come this doesn't occur in other industries such as commodities? And why is it up to the manufacturer to protect Store A? This certainly doesn't happen with other electronics, such as televisions.

It just doesn't seem like the customer who would rather not pay for the service has many alternatives. In other industries, such as home improvement, where you can go to a real hardware store, pay extra for the advice and service...or you can go to Lowe's and get treated more or less like a herd of cattle. The customer here is indicating price sensitivity. It seems like the transhippers understand those customers; whereas the B&Ms do not.

 

[Horsemanwill 10+ year member]

the transshippers are out to make a quick buck if you really think about it. all they wanna do is sell sell sell make their money and make the company suffer when things go wrong and they have to fix it. well if you look at televisions there are some lines that are only allowed in certain stores. like sony's top of the line tvs not sure wat they are now but you don't find them in walmart. or jvc iarts i got lucky and found one misshipped to a walmart and they priced it for the price the original tv goes for. but it does happen.

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

the transshippers are out to make a quick buck if you really think about it. all they wanna do is sell sell sell make their money and make the company suffer when things go wrong and they have to fix it. well if you look at televisions there are some lines that are only allowed in certain stores. like sony's top of the line tvs not sure wat they are now but you don't find them in walmart. or jvc iarts i got lucky and found one misshipped to a walmart and they priced it for the price the original tv goes for. but it does happen.

What company is suffering? The manufacturer or the B&Ms? Both, perhaps? I could see how this would hurt the B&Ms, but how would it hurt the manufacturer unless being exclusive is a part of the brand image.

I see your point on the TVs...nice point.

 

[Horsemanwill 10+ year member]

the manufacturer gets hurt in the long run. because of the transshipper a seller in the area of the product being shipped to will loose the sale and think since the brand is not selling drop that line and thus costing the manufacturer money. most of the audio industry ppl think of right now and not in the future.... unless it's the size of the power wire. then we all agree go BIG!...

and on a side note thanks to u i keep checking my spelling

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

the manufacturer gets hurt in the long run. because of the transshipper a seller in the area of the product being shipped to will loose the sale and think since the brand is not selling drop that line and thus costing the manufacturer money. most of the audio industry ppl think of right now and not in the future.... unless it's the size of the power wire. then we all agree go BIG!...and on a side note thanks to u i keep checking my spelling

Basically, you are saying the transhipper runs the B&M out of business. Once the product is no longer hot, the transhipper drops the line and the manufacturer is left out to dry because they do not have the "stability" that B&Ms provide. IIRC, B&Ms have certain buy-ins...and that could promote the stability. Thanks for the more thorough explanation...it makes sense. I am still hesistant to side with the B&Ms, but it's more clear than the usual, "I hate internet sales, rah rah rah bah humbug" I normally hear.

There ought to be a way to cater to those who either live far away, or don't really want the service B&Ms provide at a reasonable cost (vs. those that do -- the customers responsible for the overhead) without this risk of damage.

 

[Horsemanwill 10+ year member]

ID's way of doing it is one way. the price woofersetc.com charges is the same price the b&m do.

and i'm glad i could help you understand hopefully the other ppl who read this will build off it to.

 

[DAATH 10+ year member]

the manufacturer gets hurt in the long run. because of the transshipper a seller in the area of the product being shipped to will loose the sale and think since the brand is not selling drop that line and thus costing the manufacturer money. most of the audio industry ppl think of right now and not in the future.... unless it's the size of the power wire. then we all agree go BIG!...and on a side note thanks to u i keep checking my spelling

first, the manufacturer sells too high from the begining, just because it's a specialty/luxary product... something you really don't need. lets focus our energy on these sorry fvck's. why do you think sooo many new car audio manufacturers are popping up? it's a very lucrative business. hardly any of the product is original. all you need is a parts list catalog, order your stuff and put your name on it. how much do you think it cost a company to build one DLS A3(retails for $750)? you can throw in shipping cost, taxes, blah blah blah... it cost dls about $30 to build that amp. they sell it to distributor for $300. you do the math. these fvcks charge too much, and were tired of it. diyer's spend more time and money on new gear, and we offer free advertising here. we should get breaks not only because were cool like that, but because we don't need expert advise to go with the product.

 

[Horsemanwill 10+ year member]

where in the world are you getting your numbers from? seriously DAATH. If it's really that cheap to make an amp that is that good go out there make some and sell it here in this forum. i'll be the first to buy it and test it. and if it's as good as DLS's A3 i'll a lifetime client of yours and wear a sign saying i know nothing for the rest of my life... so just cause u think your cool you think u need a "hookup". free advertising is given out everyday for every single business out there. how many times do you recommend a restraunt, an auto repair place, a website to download ****? seems to me all your really doing is the "gimme gimme gimme" and "i want i want i want". you can do that all you want but that's not how a business is. you mention about all the companies that are popping up left and right in the car audio business but look how many also disappear. and look how long the "great ones" or the well known one's have been around. you mention zapco, rf, ID //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif, and etc and everyone knows their names. yea there have been a few new companies that are coming up in this competition of business but i can almost guarentee they will say that the companies you are saying are fvcking you over will be the one's who made those new companies wanna start where they did.

 

[shaneb 10+ year member]

first, the manufacturer sells too high from the begining, just because it's a specialty/luxary product... something you really don't need. lets focus our energy on these sorry fvck's. why do you think sooo many new car audio manufacturers are popping up? it's a very lucrative business. hardly any of the product is original. all you need is a parts list catalog, order your stuff and put your name on it. how much do you think it cost a company to build one DLS A3(retails for $750)? you can throw in shipping cost, taxes, blah blah blah... it cost dls about $30 to build that amp. they sell it to distributor for $300. you do the math. these fvcks charge too much, and were tired of it. diyer's spend more time and money on new gear, and we offer free advertising here. we should get breaks not only because were cool like that, but because we don't need expert advise to go with the product.

By we? do you mean everyone on ca.com? Cause there is some scary advice given on here.

I'm intrigued by your thoughts. Sure it may seem like this is a unfair idea (that we are all willingly buying into). But, this is America. This is how business is done.

I can list hundreds of products that don't cost near as much to build as they do in store to the customer. That's how business is made.

Furthermore, the price of "supplies" is not the only cost in building a product. You have to pay someone to build it. You have to pay someone to design it. You have to pay to market it.

On top of that, you don't see the "many brands popping up" making it huge, not the ones just copying ideas from other anyway. It's the classics, the known brands, the innovative ones that are making it.

I propose that if you choose to fight this fight of yours, you begin noticing some other products that are marked up like car audio.

Like the pants you are wearing that were made in China for next to nothing then boated to USA to be sold, because it's cheaper to boat products into seaports than it is to build a product in Florida and truck it to California.

 

[6spdcoupe 5,000+ posts]

WoW what a thread !

I love the ones that hate the B&Ms due to cost, but of course come to us for: Advice, help, warranty (try anyway), guidance, etc .. ALL of which we spend our time and gain nothing since they went elsewhere for the product. HOWEVER I would be more than happy to invest the time into someone that actually wants to learn something and will eventually support me and my business. I have even done it numerous times via email and phone KNOWING that they were not going to buy something from me. Why? Because they wanted some extra assistance, but still bought through their local dealer.

Of course everyone thinks R&D is free. It takes money to produce products people. From the minute ink hits the paper to the end users hands all along the way is someone taking a bite. You (the end user) happen to face the B&M and take it out on them. If they do not profit, do you really expect them to be there next month for help? How? We have bills to pay too ... Electricity, lease, insurance, employees, etc.

Do you negotiate with your doctor? How bout a box of cereal at the supermarket? Your clothes at Macy's? No ?!?!?!?! Well why the hell not ??? You do it to us, but not them?

 

[Horsemanwill 10+ year member]

WoW what a thread !
I love the ones that hate the B&Ms due to cost, but of course come to us for: Advice, help, warranty (try anyway), guidance, etc .. ALL of which we spend our time and gain nothing since they went elsewhere for the product. HOWEVER I would be more than happy to invest the time into someone that actually wants to learn something and will eventually support me and my business. I have even done it numerous times via email and phone KNOWING that they were not going to buy something from me. Why? Because they wanted some extra assistance, but still bought through their local dealer.

Of course everyone thinks R&D is free. It takes money to produce products people. From the minute ink hits the paper to the end users hands all along the way is someone taking a bite. You (the end user) happen to face the B&M and take it out on them. If they do not profit, do you really expect them to be there next month for help? How? We have bills to pay too ... Electricity, lease, insurance, employees, etc.

Do you negotiate with your doctor? How bout a box of cereal at the supermarket? Your clothes at Macy's? No ?!?!?!?! Well why the hell not ??? You do it to us, but not them?

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[6spdcoupe 5,000+ posts]

Basically, you are saying the transhipper runs the B&M out of business. Once the product is no longer hot, the transhipper drops the line and the manufacturer is left out to dry because they do not have the "stability" that B&Ms provide. IIRC, B&Ms have certain buy-ins...and that could promote the stability. Thanks for the more thorough explanation...it makes sense. I am still hesistant to side with the B&Ms, but it's more clear than the usual, "I hate internet sales, rah rah rah bah humbug" I normally hear.
There ought to be a way to cater to those who either live far away, or don't really want the service B&Ms provide at a reasonable cost (vs. those that do -- the customers responsible for the overhead) without this risk of damage.

Josh, this is 2008, buy ins are a thing of the past and any company that requires it is just plain silly.

Now in your position you should also be able to appreciate how this can affect economy as well. Largely? Of course not, but does it still? Absolutely. How you ask ... Well lets use Texas as the transhipping point ... of course we all know a TON of shit is coming from there now anyway. So we have national B&Ms throughout the country, BUT 80% of numbers are going into TX. So out of my state and into theirs. See where Im going?

Lets go a step further ... beating the containers prior to check in at the docks.. its not there so how can we apply duties? U.S. now does not collect, but the product still made it in. Again car audio .. obviously not large scale, but these acts are not limited to just car audio and yes they happen more than any of us would care to know.

 

[Horsemanwill 10+ year member]

on a final note yes car audio is expensive, yes there are ways you can save money, but don't blame the business for wanting to make money for themselves and don't blame the companies for wanting to protect the business. if you don't like the prices don't pay for it but please don't put down the ppl trying to make a living from it